brewing strong brewdog-style beers

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brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:56

I had a very strong beers at Brewdog in Newcastle- I'm talking 20% range or more and served as a 'shot'. It was amazingly complex - can't remember what it was called (had way too many beers that night).

Does anyone know the beer I'm talking about or have a recipe for something similar?

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby rlemkin » Sun Feb 14, 2016 13:01

Brewdog may have made their name by brewing stupidly strong beer, but they were by no means the pioneer. Dogfish Head's 120 minute has been around for a long time and there's a pretty extensive thread over on HBT on how to brew such a high alcohol brew. Probably a good place to start?

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=259314
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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby graysalchemy » Sun Feb 14, 2016 13:18

There was an article on the byo website about brewing high gravity all grain.

Please remember that brew dog use techniques which we are not allowed to discuss on this forum. So for the enjoyment of everyone please don't discuss them .

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby robwalker » Sun Feb 14, 2016 13:20

Tokyo? Very nice beer, it's an imperial stout aged on oak and cranberries that they freeze distilled to make it stronger. Unfortunately distillation isn't legal so we can't discuss it on this forum like GA says.

There's other ways to brew a strong beer though - you should be able to hit 15% with a high gravity yeast and a good amount of sugar in the grist. I'd use malt extract to really bump it up too. You can also add a strong spirit to increase the abv like they do with port wine.
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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby supersteve » Sun Feb 14, 2016 14:08

Fractional Freezing isn't distilling.. and is not ilegal in the uk.
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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby calumscott » Sun Feb 14, 2016 15:09

supersteve wrote:Fractional Freezing isn't distilling.. and is not ilegal in the uk.


It is. The ALDA and further amendments prohibit the production of spirits by any means.

You'll note that Brewdog are also now a registered distiller.

That said their 20% ranges are purely fermented - they got to 27 or 28% once (Ghost Deer) which is pretty awesome. Required about 4 or 5 fermentation steps with different "trained" yeasts and trickle fed high concentrate sugar syrups.

Tokyo* is more simple. Awesome drop though!
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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby graysalchemy » Sun Feb 14, 2016 15:12

supersteve wrote:Fractional Freezing isn't distilling.. and is not ilegal in the uk.


I think you need to read the rules of this forum steve, it clearly states what you can and cannot talk about.

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby calumscott » Sun Feb 14, 2016 15:38

robwalker wrote:Tokyo? Very nice beer, it's an imperial stout aged on oak and cranberries that they freeze distilled to make it stronger.


Nope, they start with a 1.157 gravity wort.

http://www.wolterwasserbillig.de/media/ ... _sheet.pdf Dunno where the original brewsheets have gone and I can't be bothered trying to find them on archive.org.

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby calumscott » Sun Feb 14, 2016 15:40

But lets leave it there shall we.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=987 If anyone needs a refresher.
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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 16:54

I've googled it and I believe it was this one... https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/blog/th ... ar-penguin

A very nice drop indeed. I only had a shot of it - I wouldn't want a full bottle of the stuff, its a 'sipping' drink.

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby graysalchemy » Sun Feb 14, 2016 17:04

Well you aren't going to make anything that strong, yeast just doesn't ferment to thoses ABV's.

If you want to push 20% then take a read of this.

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby calumscott » Sun Feb 14, 2016 17:15

Yep, TNP is a spirit. A beer based spirit but a spirit nonetheless.
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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 17:36

graysalchemy wrote:Well you aren't going to make anything that strong, yeast just doesn't ferment to thoses ABV's.

If you want to push 20% then take a read of this.


That sounds great - has anyone here tried this?

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby graysalchemy » Sun Feb 14, 2016 17:38

I never got round to doing it but i did want to try it with a scottish ale style beer with caramalised wort.

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 19:41

graysalchemy wrote:I never got round to doing it but i did want to try it with a scottish ale style beer with caramalised wort.


Caramelised wort you say? - is this just reducing a portion of wort in the boil to intensify the flavour?

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby graysalchemy » Sun Feb 14, 2016 20:32

Yes you take the first runnings about 10% of the wort total from the the start if the mash out and caramelise this ad it its the most concentrated part of the wort.

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 20:42

sounds a good idea - any general guidance on this? Would you have it on a fairly brisk boil for an hour? - that should reduce the liquor down.

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby graysalchemy » Sun Feb 14, 2016 20:44

Do u in a pan on the hob you should be able to reduce it by 70%

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 23:49

Nice one, cheers for that. I'll try it with a Scottish beer in the future - 80 shilling maybe

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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby calumscott » Wed Feb 17, 2016 12:01

It was a Traquair House based thing you did GA wasn't it? Damn fine beer it was too!

If I ever do a rerun of Calafountain I might consider really upping the ante and doing a caramelisation/reduction step in there for something even more erm, silly... :lol:
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Re: brewing strong brewdog-style beers

Postby MrBoy » Tue Apr 19, 2016 13:10

I'm confused by reading the linked rules - surely we can mention what commercial brewers DO? Saying "X does Y" is not the same as "this is how you can do Y, and I suggest you do"...
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