Lambic Mk 1

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby StevieDS » Tue Mar 15, 2016 22:01

Well it's approaching a year since I brewed this so it's hopefully nearly ready for stage 2.

The plan is to rack half of it into demijohns, which will go back into storage for a couple more years, and bottle the other half. The bottles will be aged for about a year or so and the stuff in the demijohns will eventually be used to make a gueuze which is a blend of 1, 2 and 3 year old lambics.

Batch 2 will be brewed in a few weeks time, batch 3 a year after that. I hope it's worth the wait :?

I'll taste a sample soon to see how it's doing, but it definitely has the funky, leathery, fruity, horsey, lambic aroma :)

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby StevieDS » Thu Mar 17, 2016 18:43

Took a sample of this today, the sg is at 1.010 which is surprisingly high. That means an abv of about 5% which is a little lower than hoped for, though presumably this will continue to ferment slowly for a while.

The flavours are along the right lines, brett, grainy wheat and lots of sourness, but it's very obviously way too young. It will need lots of time for the flavours to mellow and blend.

As you can see it still looks fairly disgusting :)

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby serum » Thu Mar 17, 2016 22:02

I'd love to have a go at a Lambic at some point, great thread.

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby mark1964 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 07:50

no its kept at 45 degrees till it sours. When its sour enough boil to kill off the bugs

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby StevieDS » Fri Mar 18, 2016 22:36

serum wrote:I'd love to have a go at a Lambic at some point, great thread.

It's such a beautiful style, it's a real shame it's availability is so limited. But other than the long wait, it's really simple to make.
mark1964 wrote:no its kept at 45 degrees till it sours. When its sour enough boil to kill off the bugs

My next brew is a Berliner Weisse using this sour mash technique. How have you found the results?

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby mark1964 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:07

ive never done sour that way i used lactobacillus added first to the wort then us05 a few days later. I was considering using a plastic bucket and an element connected to an stc to maintain the 5 degrees needed but never got round to making it.

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby serum » Sat Mar 19, 2016 17:03

StevieDS wrote:
serum wrote:I'd love to have a go at a Lambic at some point, great thread.

It's such a beautiful style, it's a real shame it's availability is so limited. But other than the long wait, it's really simple to make.
mark1964 wrote:no its kept at 45 degrees till it sours. When its sour enough boil to kill off the bugs

My next brew is a Berliner Weisse using this sour mash technique. How have you found the results?

Yeah I love lambic and also oud bruin. I'd like to get a big glass carboy at some point as I've read they're better for long term storage.

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby StevieDS » Sat Mar 19, 2016 20:01

mark1964 wrote:ive never done sour that way i used lactobacillus added first to the wort then us05 a few days later. I was considering using a plastic bucket and an element connected to an stc to maintain the 5 degrees needed but never got round to making it.

Ah ok. That's probably a much better way of doing it but I'm wanting to keep the souring preboil this time so as not to contaminate another fv. Plus I'm intrigued by the sour mash, really interested in how it turns out.

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby ManseMasher » Sat Mar 26, 2016 09:58

A fantastic thread thank you - I have quite a lot of 2011/2012 hops and have been searching for help on a Lambic. You have more than provided it!

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby StevieDS » Tue Apr 05, 2016 20:57

Today I racked/bottled this, 2 demijohns full and 24 bottles all stashed away again for another year.
My bottling wand snapped during the process but thankfully there was only about a pint or so left. I tried drinking the leftovers but could only manage a little, it's still very harsh. Hopefully a year will be enough to mellow it out.

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Re: Lambic Mk 1

Postby pittsy » Tue Apr 05, 2016 21:12

And I thought waiting for lager was a pain , hats off for the patience Steve .
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