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Postby Brewzee » Mon May 21, 2018 07:41

I had the bunting out this weekend what with Mrs B away I had a steamy brewathon planned in the kitchin. Sadly my Bielmeier boiler lost the plot at 92c and would not go any higher after 20 mins of trying. I managed to fit half the wort in Saucepans and gave it a 15 min boil with some hops. I going to be interested how this one turns out it was another run of Robs Pale ale so I have 3 reference brews to compare it with. Has anyone had this issue with a bielmeier I see over on JBK talk of similar probs with buffaloe boilers so I will following that as best possible. :electric:
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby HTH1975 » Mon May 21, 2018 08:20

If it’s not bitter enough you could boil a litre or two of malt extract with lots of hops to get it bitter enough. I’ve done this myself and it worked a treat. Alternatively, use isomerised hop extract. This also works well in moderation.

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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Rolfster » Mon May 21, 2018 10:10

I've had a problem with a boiler not boiling. I made a couple of beers that didn't go over about 85. The beer was drinkable.
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby HTH1975 » Mon May 21, 2018 12:30

Just another thought. With a 15 min boil you should hopefully still get a hot and cold break (assuming you chill fast). I’ve made a no-boil beer and after a while in the bottle lots of ‘matter’ settled out. If I did this again I’d cold crash for a few weeks, and or use finings adjunct to drop the proteins out of suspension.

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Re: half boiled beer

Postby robwalker » Mon May 21, 2018 16:58

HTH1975 wrote:If it’s not bitter enough you could boil a litre or two of malt extract with lots of hops to get it bitter enough. I’ve done this myself and it worked a treat. Alternatively, use isomerised hop extract. This also works well in moderation.

Yea use iso extract, it's very easy.

What base malt are you using? Pilsner and wheat etc might have DMS issues but anything highly modified should probably be ok.

Dry hop the feck out of it and it'll taste great
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Brewzee » Mon May 21, 2018 21:03

I had 92c for about 20 mins which gave me a good hot break, all in all its had a 100gs of Colombus on the hot side so should have some Ibu. Rolfster I think this happens more with electric boilers than expected, I've a suspicion I've done a half boil before and not realised.
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Brewzee » Mon May 21, 2018 21:04

It was vienna malt and light cara
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby jkp » Tue May 22, 2018 05:03

What about turning it into a low bitterness hazy juice style PA? You wouldn't need to get any isomerized hop extract, instead just start dry hopping with some fruit forward hops from now until the end of fermentation.

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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Brewzee » Thu May 24, 2018 07:17

I have a hazey juicey oaty (40% oats ?) idea brewing but I don't fancy wasting the hops on this half boiled one instead I'm going to see what a lack of boil tastes like it might be a revolution or a very bad idea.
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Brewzee » Thu Jun 14, 2018 06:20

So half boiled beer was fine, dropped brighter than some of my other pale ales, was a bit lighter in colour and thinner in taste but hey 10 percent more beer for a grain bill originally delivering less than 4% abv so room to fix that. Other aspects of taste seem fine to but need a couple more brews to confirm that and do some proper hopping. Someone over on JBK talked about long boils being about clarity..I disagree I had a great hot break and excellent clarity, and longevity ....well my normally highly hopped pales don't hang about long so can't test that and don't plan to. I do plan on doing more half boiled beers or short boil pales.
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby robwalker » Fri Jun 15, 2018 08:49

Check this out Breezes, guy from brulosophy has figured out a way to brew all grain in 2 hours! Haha.
http://brulosophy.com/2018/01/18/short- ... rican-ipa/
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby BarnsleyBrewer » Fri Jun 15, 2018 09:45

Probably ok, worst thing I ever did was to forget protafloc. Never cleared, always suffered from haze.

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Re: half boiled beer

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Jun 15, 2018 20:26

robwalker wrote:Check this out Breezes, guy from brulosophy has figured out a way to brew all grain in 2 hours! Haha.
http://brulosophy.com/2018/01/18/short- ... rican-ipa/


Wonder if he does a conversion test. Can’t imagine you will get full conversion in 20 mins.

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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Rolfster » Sat Jun 16, 2018 16:57

HTH1975 wrote:
robwalker wrote:Check this out Breezes, guy from brulosophy has figured out a way to brew all grain in 2 hours! Haha.
http://brulosophy.com/2018/01/18/short- ... rican-ipa/


Wonder if he does a conversion test. Can’t imagine you will get full conversion in 20 mins.


It depends on the temperature surely.
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Cheebs » Sat Jun 16, 2018 17:20

I'm not sure they're that worried about full conversion with these short and shoddy brews, they often increase the grain bill to compensate.
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Rolfster » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:02

I think I'm going to have a go at a short and shoddy brew. Especially as in just getting ready to move house so time will be short!
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby robwalker » Mon Jun 18, 2018 15:08

HTH1975 wrote:
robwalker wrote:Check this out Breezes, guy from brulosophy has figured out a way to brew all grain in 2 hours! Haha.
http://brulosophy.com/2018/01/18/short- ... rican-ipa/


Wonder if he does a conversion test. Can’t imagine you will get full conversion in 20 mins.


Most of the mash occurs in the first 10-15 mins so the extra time we spend is just to make it more efficient.
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Re: half boiled beer

Postby Brewzee » Wed Jun 20, 2018 07:00

Last brew had a 50 minute boil, was going to do less but chickened out at last minute and she who shouts when the kitchin is steamy wasn't about so no burning need to reduce boil time. I think thats some of the problem right, do what you did last time, however some of you professional guys must get 4 or 5 figure energy bills so are way more motivated to do short boils ... and you don't ?...
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