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Pliney the blind Limey

Postby Brewzee » Fri Apr 13, 2018 06:45

My nephew was over from USA and a trip to a brewery in Bury St Edmond was not the experience of drinking an IPA from the spring in the center of the garden of Eden that he expected. After some wailing and nashing of teeth we decided to brew a hybrid clone of RussIan Rivers Pliney the Elder and Blind Pig. 350 grams of very expensive hops and a couple of weeks later I have 16 liters of very wonderful beer. But that kind of hop generosity is unsustainable with those varieties. So my question is what UK hops could be used instead of, Simcoe, Colombus, centennial and Amarillo to brew a Pliney that speaks with an English accent. That or I might continue my DIPA odyssey in a economic manner with an arrogant bustard made with target ?
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby LeithR » Fri Apr 13, 2018 20:31

If you look on the internet for hop equivalents or substitutions you should get a fair list of them like
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:53

I’d use something like Challenger or Magnum for bittering and save the expensive juicy hops for your late additions.

Can you post the hop schedule?

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby Brewzee » Wed May 09, 2018 06:10

So bank holiday Monday 0500 the brew went on, 4.2 k golden promise, 0.5 k dark crystal, 25g jester and 25g Ernest at 60, same again at flame out, whirl flock (work of the devil) and a London ESB yeast pitched warm and went like the clappers in an exothermic manner in our Mayday heatwave. Two days later and it's finished working, which is a worry but there is no stopping now so I added 50g of Jester and same of Ernest as dry. Let see, I don't think that amount of crystal was appropriate but it seemed a good idea at the time. The question is do I add more dry hops to bring it up to mad levels of Pliney and Blind Pig or would that make it over hopped and over hear.
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby HTH1975 » Wed May 09, 2018 12:26

If you look at the crazy amount of dry hops Brewdog use, I think you have scope for more dry hopping (if that’s what you’re going for. I’d remove the first lot of dry hops after 4-5 days and then add your second lot.

500g of dark crystal does seem like a lot for an IPA mind - that would be in the upper end for light crystal in this style (imo). Sure it will still be great - maybe along the lines of 5am Saint (that’s dark and hoppy)

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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby robwalker » Wed May 09, 2018 19:34

Probably none, the recent efforts to replicate US hops here have been rather underwhelming. Any decent hop will cost about £5 per 100g for home brew, they're £20 a kilo at wholesale. But in terms of UK - minstrel, jester, olicana, UK Cascade,
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby Brewzee » Thu May 10, 2018 06:56

Yes I regret about 250g of that Crystal if you read Vinnie Cilurzo's article on his beer he said it was about the hops not the malt and original clone had 250g/ 20 liters of crystal and 350gs of hops. I also think im sticking with current hops cos Im tight and I dont think another 150gs of say EKG will do that much but will soak up more beer, instead Im going to stir it 2x a day and in this warm weather hope for good extraction levels.
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby HTH1975 » Thu May 10, 2018 07:46

If you’re not already, try using pellets for dry hopping. I find they give up their flavour easier than whole cones for this application.

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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby Brewzee » Fri May 11, 2018 06:11

Hop pellets keep clogging my syphon or going through into the bottles I cover the end with a bit of hop sock but that often needs a shake to. It's all a bit hit or miss for me. Happiness is a clean bazooka and whole hops right now but I get how pellets retain less liquid and offer higher extraction I want to make them work for me.
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby HTH1975 » Fri May 11, 2018 19:10

Brewzee wrote:Hop pellets keep clogging my syphon or going through into the bottles I cover the end with a bit of hop sock but that often needs a shake to. It's all a bit hit or miss for me. Happiness is a clean bazooka and whole hops right now but I get how pellets retain less liquid and offer higher extraction I want to make them work for me.


If you dry hop with pellets, try using a hop sock or a piece of muslin. Makes it much easier. You will need to weigh down the hop bag - a heavy glass does the trick.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed (need to update this figure)
Drinking: Landlord clone
Conditioning: ciders from 2016, hedgerow barrolo, 1914 Courage RIS (10%).
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby robwalker » Sat May 12, 2018 09:23

Stainless mesh on the end for me about the size of a stamp. Works perfectly
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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

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Re: Pliney the blind Limey

Postby Brewzee » Sat May 12, 2018 17:46

very cool gotta have it gotta have it, will report back.
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