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Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 09:14
by LeithR
@vacant,
Handy for wiping a hard disc then. I had a feeling it would be something like that. Thanks

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 09:23
by johnsaunders
LeithR wrote:@vacant,
Handy for wiping a hard disc then. I had a feeling it would be something like that. Thanks


Handy for wiping out any drive that is mounted to the filesystem. Including any USB and network devices. It's the nuclear option.

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 09:29
by vacant
Not really, it can't get rid of open files I believe. It's just a reckless activity from which no good can come :D . I'd use "dd " with "if=/dev/zero" or "if=/dev/random" to wipe an unmounted disk. Maybe we need a separate linux suicide thread. ;)

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:50
by scott-ayling
BigYin wrote:Following on from my original How To on the Tesco Value kettle the design of the value kettle sold by Tesco has changed.

I recently had to replace the elements in my boiler and so that seemed like the perfect opportunity to revamp the How To.

If you read the first guide there was a bit of wiring required, but the good news with the new kettle is the wiring is restricted to the power supply - thankyou Tesco!!

So, this guide is all about how to butcher a perfectly good and cheap (£6 at the time of writing) kettle and use the kettle element and power lead in your home brew boiler.

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Tools :

Phillips screw driver
Needle nose pliers
Wire cutters
Hack saw
Soldering Iron & Solder
electrical insulating tape

** DISCLAIMER ** Electricity and water are a DANGEROUS mix - Please understand a few important points - I - and the Forum - will NOT be held responsible if you electrocute yourself!!!

Take your time, take care, never leave your boiler unattended when it's on - if it boils over it could create a dangerous short!!!!


Now, onto the build :mrgreen:

First, remove the two screws at the base of the handle :
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Then remove the two screws at the top of the handle :
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Then pull the base of the handle away from the body of the kettle, and it should unclip, removing the outer part of the handle and the lid.
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Undo the two screws securing the switch:
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Then insert a screwdriver between the switch and the housing, give a little twist and remove the switch.
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The wires for the little light pass through the switch base, I just cut through the easiest part of the switch base with some wire cutters, being careful not to catch the wire
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then manoeuvre the wires through the cuts - this took a little bit of bending of the plastic rather than placing any stress on the thin wires.
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With the switch assembly all out of the way, remove the 3 screws holding the element to its socket
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pop the silicone seal out of the kettle body, and that's all the useful bits removed from the carcass of the kettle.
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The frame that held the switch (and has a bi-metalic disc that is meant to switch the kettle off once it reaches the boil) can be removed with a hacksaw.
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Now, onto the base
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Lever the plastic cover off - it's just held on by two little clips - it snaps off pretty easy :D

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Pull off the wires
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Open up the connectors and get them on to the element socket
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Now, it's up to you how to connect the power cable to the element socket.

1. - solder the wires directly to the pins on the socket
2. - use locking crimp connectors to connect the wires directly to the pins
3. - use a suitable euro plug that will push onto the pins (make sure it's suitable for both the current draw and the heat)


I prefer option 1 - solder them on - it's the cheapest (assuming you already have a suitable soldering iron!) and it's pretty permanent.
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and insulate them with electrical insulating tape - or better still, use proper heat shrink insulation
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Bend up the little plate so it'll still be touching the back of the element - this needs to be bent out of shape, or it will 'pop' back at boiling point and turn the element off.
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Now, to the boiler....

You will need to drill a neat 38mm hole centred approx 6cm above the base of the boiler - Note that the height is up to you! I put mine at this height to allow the hop filter to fit underneath, and to keep a little distance between a hot element and the plastic base of the boiler...
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Fit the silicon seal into the element hole, offer up the element from inside the boiler and attach the socket to it with the 3 screws.

Fill the boiler with cold water and check for leaks. If you see any leaks, empty the boiler, check the hole is smooth, and make sure you tighten up the element properly.

Time to test the element -
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Cover up the electrics with something - I've used bits of tube from an old silicon bathroom sealant - fits nicely and it's free :mrgreen:

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And finally, test! - Make sure not only that it will reach the boil, but also that it'll maintain it - if it cuts out it's most likely that pesky little metal disc not bent up enough.
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Appendix

Looking after your kettle elements


After a brew day, and an hour and a half of boiling sweet sticky wort, the elements will have lost all their gleam and look all furry
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I give them a generous dose of citric acid and fill up with hot water to just above the elements<br>
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I get the citric acid in 1kg amounts, usually through ebay or amazon - search for Citric Acid 1kg, I'd recommend getting food grade - e.g http://www.amazon.co.uk/1kg-Citric-acid-grade-quality/dp/B00AP09SSK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1361816833&amp;sr=8-1

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Leave 10 mins or more, swift brush over with a nylon kitchen brush, and nice clean elements again :mrgreen:

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Can no longer see these pics was going to buy couple Argos kettles today anyone done these recently and got a nice guide ?

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 13:23
by paul
Argos ones, yes - not sure if they're the same as the Tesco ones so apologies if we're hijacking the thread.

This seems to be reasonably accurate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDupTFTOWQ - the model has changed slightly, but the disassembly appears to be the same. I tend to open up the electrics to remove all the failsafes (2 x thermostatic discs and related cut outs), because I'm a control freak and want to know if I'm putting power in it's getting to the element. :)

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 17:39
by scott-ayling
cheers mate ill give it a try over the weekend

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 09:11
by AltonAnt
I built a backup boiler this weekend and thanks to this guide it worked out well.
Shame that the photos are gone :?

I measured the kettle hole which is 40mm so used a holesaw to cut one that size.
Perfect fit

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I kept as much as possible and only removed the boil cutout disc from the switch mechanism.
Tested for leaks and did a quick heating check with no issues.
If it cuts out when boiling I'll remove the other disc.

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Just a tap to fit and some shrouds.

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:08
by Pjam
One thing I've found quite important is a dab of copper grease (or similar) on the three retaining screws, and possibly replacing them for better quality screws.
If you use it as a boiler, the only good way to clean those tight coils is to remove them.
They get stuck fast and the poor quality heads fail, I had to drill mine out.
Also it's good to snip the cutout off where it touches the little plunger. Originally I just bent it back but over time it sprang forward again .......... very annoying brew that day.

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Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:32
by ockelford
I have a quick tip to add to this.... When connecting these up with kettle plugs, they very often get hot. Sometimes, this is due to arcing (electricity jumping through the air) with gives a lot of heat, even to the point of the plug melting. Very often this is caused by bad connections. I found a very cheap way of making a rock solid connection without hacking the element.

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Use a 30a connection block. If you get the right size, the screws and opposite side of the prongs make excellent contact. Is rock steady and no arcing. Tested successfully for prolonged use. Usual disclaimer applies - take responsibility for your own safety!!! Check what you are doing is safe, don't rely on this alone! Earth connection as other designs, or to connecting metal on pot.

I've also built a neat shroud to wrap round all of this, may post with installed.

Hope this helps.

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:20
by ockelford
Also, for robust connections, since you have no plug - 15amp aviation connectors. Ip68 rated, waterproof. Off eBay, about a fiver each, delivered....Image

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 14:46
by Hairybiker
I've had no issues with a standard (hot) IEC cable for many many years, why the need for permanent connections?

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 15:31
by ockelford
Hi Hairybiker,

I suppose kettle cables are fine, but it means that you have to buy a hi temp connector, and they sometimes arc and overheat (if the contact is corroded). Also, I'll be brewing outside, and want to silicon seal my connection in against splashes spray from the rain etc. These IP68 connectors are completely sealed and give me a more comfortable feeling that a with kettle plug, but there's no major requirement, I suppose.

Also, I hate pushing and pulling on the back of the element too much, the inline connector relieves this stress on a plastic bucket (though I'm currently building stainless anyway), but again, I think its just the rock solid feel of this connection I prefer. I've got a Bruheat plastic bucket from an old brewery I had and tbh its never had trouble, but I have seen a few overheating kettle plugs on the forums (probably wrong spec actually).

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 15:37
by AltonAnt
I like that connection method!

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Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 15:48
by ockelford
Looks solid. Nice job. Where do you get the casing from?

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Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 17:19
by AltonAnt
It was an IP55 outdoor socket from Wilcos. I think it was £2.49 and has been in my 'drawer' of stuff for a while.

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 17:41
by ockelford
AltonAnt wrote:It was an IP55 outdoor socket from Wilcos. I think it was £2.49 and has been in my 'drawer' of stuff for a while.


Awesome. Thanks. May have to go get some, they look good.

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 01:07
by BigYin
AltonAnt wrote:I built a backup boiler this weekend and thanks to this guide it worked out well.
Shame that the photos are gone :?




Sorry they disappeared :electric:

Sorted now :cheers:

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 07:49
by AltonAnt
Perfect :thumb:

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 14:08
by MrBoy
What are the other pipes at the bottom? Some sort of cooling rig?

And if a standard FV can get a bit soft, what exactly are these bins called (for searching) and where can they be sourced?

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 14:26
by AltonAnt
MrBoy wrote:What are the other pipes at the bottom? Some sort of cooling rig?

And if a standard FV can get a bit soft, what exactly are these bins called (for searching) and where can they be sourced?


Ask at your local Asian restaurant as the local ones just throw these 'chutney barrels' away.
Thing like Mango chutney are supplied in these but try to avoid the lime pickle ones as you'll never remove the smell.

You can also buy them new if you search ebay for blue barrel ;)

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 21:52
by BigYin
BigYin wrote:
AltonAnt wrote:I built a backup boiler this weekend and thanks to this guide it worked out well.
Shame that the photos are gone :?




Sorry they disappeared :electric:

Sorted now :cheers:


They disappeared again :evil:

Sorted once more! :electric:

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 22:07
by iwoo
One of my elements kept tripping out. How do I disable the cut out on my tesco kettle element. I only have one brass disc left

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Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 17:56
by serum
When I had this it was from having lots of crud stuck to it. Are you cleaning it thoroughly after each brew?

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Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:11
by PhatFil
if you still have a small white plastic pin sticking out of the back of the element grab some pliers and pull it out.

scrubbing back to shiney metal asap post boil makes life easier, if caught early enough a few minutes of elbow grease will remove mm's of built up crud quickly, if left too long it wll soon harden rock hard requiering something like a citric acid soak to remove..

Re: How to use the Tesco Value kettle heating element - mark

PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 11:44
by iwoo
I clean with citric after every use. I will pull out the white pin thanks for the information

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