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I am getting a loan of a 3 vessel AG kit in the next few days (as long as the guy remembers to bring it in this time!). Anyway, I am looking at the all grain brewers pack that my local homebrew shop does. I get 4Kgs of grain and hops for a tenner - seems like a bargain! I dont mind buying 1 other pack of hops to make the recipe that bit more interesting but I do have some Crusader and some Saaz hops in the freezer, so was wondering what you guys can come up with? I really fancy an American IPA type brew and thought you guys would be people to ask!
http://www.brewstore.co.uk/mash-beer-br ... 2321-p.asp

How about this? Not really sure what I am doing just kind of made it up!

Looks ok to me decent colour and ibu looks fine me personally would bung alot more dry hops though coz i like a hoppy pale

There are some great recipes on the home brew festival recipes page, including a couple of American Pales

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=7888&hilit=Festival+recipes

I have Nicks American Pale fermenting now

Looking at this again, I think the gu/bu ratio is way to high...... Thinking of dropping back a little on the hops, maybe adding 100g of wheat. Also I think the brew store does not have these hops anymore so may have to go with something else, basically gonna change the whole recipe!

for a decent APA you need a big American hop like Chinnok, cascade, citra, centennial, etc, bitter to 45 Ibus and then loads at the aroma stages including loads of dry hopping.

[graysalchemy]

I agree with rob you need lots of aroma stages and also plenty of big citrussy hops coming through

This is my Proper Job Clone which though St austells call it an IPA is most definitely an APA

Odd Job 5.5%
American Pale Ale

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 23.0
Total Grain (kg): 4.960
Total Hops (g): 132.98
Original Gravity (OG): 1.056 (°P): 13.8
Final Gravity (FG): 1.014 (°P): 3.6
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.50 %
Colour (SRM): 4.6 (EBC): 9.1
Bitterness (IBU): 47.7 (Average)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 82
Boil Time (Minutes): 90

Grain Bill
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4.464 kg Pale Ale Malt (90%)
0.248 kg Flaked Oats (5%)
0.248 kg Wheat Malt (5%)

Hop Bill
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8.4 g Cascade Leaf (7.9% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
8.4 g Chinook Leaf (13.8% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
8.4 g Willamette Leaf (6.3% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
18.0 g Cascade Leaf (7.9% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.8 g/L)
14.6 g Chinook Leaf (13.8% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)
12.5 g Willamette Leaf (6.3% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
14.6 g Cascade Leaf (7.9% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)
16.7 g Chinook Leaf (13.8% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
12.5 g Willamette Leaf (6.3% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
6.3 g Cascade Leaf (7.9% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.3 g/L)
6.3 g Chinook Leaf (13.8% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.3 g/L)
6.3 g Willamette Leaf (6.3% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.3 g/L)

The cascade chinnock and willamette complement each other very well. You will also see that all the aroma comes in the last 10 minutes and plenty of it.

Yeah. Although graysalchemy's beer looks complicated there it isn't really and its fine to use 100% pale malt and one hop but more of it instead. The important thing is that it's citrussy, the ibus are right, and most use american ale yeast.

OK, so I nipped up at lunchtime and bought....

3.7Kg of Pale Malt
0.2Kg of Amber Malt
0.1Kg of Crystal Malt
0.1Kg of Wheat

I also got 100g of Belma USA Hop, described as 6, Grapefruit, Tropical, Strawberry with 12.1% Alpha Acid
My intention is as has been mentioned around 45 IBU's and I will add hops at 60, 15, 10, 5 to get aroma, I also have a bit of Crusader (which I describe as having no bitter qualities but an almost orange Blossom flavor/aroma) which I will stick in, depending on how much I have at either the 10, 5, 0 mins or maybe just dry hop with what I have. I also intend to use whats left of the Belma as a dry hop as well.....

I agree with rob you need lots of aroma stages and also plenty of big citrussy hops coming through

This is my Proper Job Clone which though St austells call it an IPA is most definitely an APA

Proper Job is a great beer but I'd no idea it was an APA. Unless my mind is fuddled from the ABV I remember it being a strongly flavoured but not drastically aromatic ale? I thought Sierra Nevada was an APA - unless I'm confusing terms between an APA and an American IPA?

Proper Job is a great beer but I'd no idea it was an APA. Unless my mind is fuddled from the ABV I remember it being a strongly flavoured but not drastically aromatic ale? I thought Sierra Nevada was an APA - unless I'm confusing terms between an APA and an American IPA?

Its a tricky scale in many regards. Very loosely, I always think of an APA as a more balanced beer. It may have a hop presence but this is balanced out by a malt backbone as well. An American IPA loses this balance and heads straight for hops hops hops!

ABV can seem like a simple way of filtering between them, but is tricky as some style guidelines would say that an IPA would be 5.5% or above, whereas an APA is around 4.5-6%.In the end, its all a bit subjective. Like Grey's, I personally would put Proper Job in the APA category, especially if you compare it with Brewdogs' Punk IPA which is a similar ABV

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is for many - the quintessential American Pale Ale. Its just a shame that by the time the bottles make it over here its pretty much lost any hop presence

[graysalchemy]

I agree with rob you need lots of aroma stages and also plenty of big citrussy hops coming through

This is my Proper Job Clone which though St austells call it an IPA is most definitely an APA

Proper Job is a great beer but I'd no idea it was an APA. Unless my mind is fuddled from the ABV I remember it being a strongly flavoured but not drastically aromatic ale? I thought Sierra Nevada was an APA - unless I'm confusing terms between an APA and an American IPA?

Well if you look at the recipe and look at the hops and hops schedule then that gives you a clue. All the hops are classic american and most of the hops go in very late. It is also quite bitter. A traditional IPA should be bitter but not aromatic and it should certainly not have any american hops in it. Dry hopping was done when the barrels reached India.

There is a good description on APA and other U.S. styles by Gordon Strong here

Thanks - so in that case what IS Sierra Nevada? It's pretty different from Proper Job in my recollection - are they just different variants within the same space?

For instance Youngs do both an APA and AIPA kit

[graysalchemy]

You are best looking at the BJCP Style guides here. They are however American and some of the UK styles are an American interpretation at best.

With regards to SNPA and Proper Job both fit the style guides.

Just wondering, are the 0 min. Hop additions dry hopped so the aroma isn't lost in the first few days of ferment. Planning on brewing this tomorrow. Thanks.

Just wondering, are the 0 min. Hop additions dry hopped so the aroma isn't lost in the first few days of ferment. Planning on brewing this tomorrow. Thanks.

No, they are added as you turn the heat off and start chilling.

[quote="Rolfster"
No, they are added as you turn the heat off and start chilling.[/quote]

Thanks Rolfster, I'm sure I read somewhere that you lose a lot of aroma doing this? Maybe I'm over thinking this?

You can chill it to 80 degrees then add the 0min hops. This give more aroma.
If you want more aroma then dry hop
Or all 3!