Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

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Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Aleman » Sat Apr 05, 2014 16:45

Not aiming for anything specific just a 'generic' north German Pilsner. I'm planning on brewing two batches using more or less the same recipe for both, The first will be a 20L starter for the second 70L batch . . .I'm sort of going for the Latte hops of the beer world

For 20L at 1.046 and 39 IBU

3750g Lager Malt
250g Carapils

45g NZ Pacific Hallertau 4.4% AA FWH
40g Hallertau Mittelfruh 4.1% AA 15 Minutes
20g Hallertau Hersbrucker 2.8% 80C Steep.

I'll pitch this with about 40g of w34/70 and ferment at 12C for 4 or 5 days then I'll make this one

70l at 1.046 and 39 IBU

13120g Lager Malt
880g Carapils

135g NZ Pacific Hallertau 4.4% AA FWH
40g Hallertau Mittelfruh 4.1% AA 90 Minutes
100g Hallertau Mittelfruh 4.1% AA 15 Minutes
70g Hallertau Hersbrucker 2.8% 80C Steep.

And I'll pitch the fermenting wort from the first batch straight onto the fresh wort.

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby krazypara3165 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 08:54

Looking into doing this in a couple of weeks. do you know what your gravity targets were?

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Aleman » Thu Apr 23, 2015 09:29

OG 1.046
FG 1.010

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby tommidolcetto » Thu Apr 23, 2015 09:38

The first will be a 20L starter for the second 70L batch . .

Is it necessary to hop the first batch? Surely any aroma additions will be lost in full batch?
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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby krazypara3165 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 09:41

Aleman wrote:OG 1.046
FG 1.010


Appreciated!

Also looking at yeast, you pitched 40g, which for me doing such a small brew is pretty costly. I've never made a starter before but from what i recall its not worth it with dried yeast so would I be better with going with something like WLP800 and making a starter?

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Aleman » Thu Apr 23, 2015 09:50

tommidolcetto wrote:The first will be a 20L starter for the second 70L batch . .

Is it necessary to hop the first batch? Surely any aroma additions will be lost in full batch?

Correct, in a way, The bittering hops, are required, as for the aroma hops it was just me wanting to keep the recipe the same for both batches.

Note that what I actually did was to tip the 70L batch onto the 20L batch to end up with a 90L batch, so as the 'starter' was more than 10% of the beer volume, it needed to be closer to the main recipe as I wasn't cooling it and just using the yeast.

krazypara3165 wrote:Looking at yeast, you pitched 40g, which for me doing such a small brew is pretty costly. I've never made a starter before but from what i recall its not worth it with dried yeast so would I be better with going with something like WLP800 and making a starter?

Always better using wet yeast, and I would recommend the South German Bock yeast as it is supposedly the same as W34/70

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby krazypara3165 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 09:58

Cheers, thats WLP833?

Got an ale to brew this weekend, but as Im planning on doing this one in a couple of weeks and another shortly after I thought I'd better get everything in now to save on postage.

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Diggerg » Wed Jul 22, 2015 13:14

How did you get 39 IBU? I have tried to put this recipe into the biabacus I use and only come out with 7IBU using the same amounts of hops with similar AA content.

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Bad 'Ed » Wed Jul 22, 2015 13:35

Diggerg wrote:How did you get 39 IBU? I have tried to put this recipe into the biabacus I use and only come out with 7IBU using the same amounts of hops with similar AA content.


Have you noticed the 70l / 20l parts?

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Diggerg » Wed Jul 22, 2015 20:42

Yes I have. You have put 39 IBU for both 20 and 70l parts. Just wondered how you got 39 IBU in the 20L bit? Or am I being daft?

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Aleman » Wed Jul 22, 2015 20:49

How does biabacus calculate ibu? I use Tinseths formula. And those look to be the right amount of hops with the right alpha levels to hit 39 IBU in 20 an 70L of wort.

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Diggerg » Wed Jul 22, 2015 20:59

Yep biabacus measure in tinseth too. I'll try again but doing it as a 90l batch with whole hop schedule.

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Diggerg » Fri Jul 24, 2015 19:41

I've just used a tinseth calculator and come up with 35 IBU for the fwh and 15 min additions. I will try the biabacus again.

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Diggerg » Sat Aug 01, 2015 09:20

Seems that biabacus doesn't calculate IBU from fwh.

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby Diggerg » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:38

After enquiring it appears that I have to enter full boil time and that then gives me the IBU give or take 2 points.

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Re: Alemans Effin North German Pilsner

Postby krazypara3165 » Tue Aug 18, 2015 09:21

Starting this on bank holiday Monday, Whitelabs suggests optimum fermenting temp of WLP 833 is 9-13 degrees so I'm assuming I'm better off at around 9? also will I need to change the temp during fermentation or 'lager' this?

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