AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

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AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby maggs » Fri Jun 13, 2014 13:54

Hey, While trying to think of ideas for my second brew, I was reading the top tips on Jim's place, and saw one that said something along the lines of 'you can make a good beer with just marris otter and styrian goldings'. Which got me thinking, I have lots of MO, and I have 75g each of Bobek and Celeia, which previous reading up has lead me to understand that these are two varieties typically sold under the Styrian name.

So I did a quick check on BrewMate and came up with this recipe.

MOC (English IPA)

Original Gravity (OG): 1.050 (°P): 12.4
Final Gravity (FG): 1.013 (°P): 3.3
Alcohol (ABV): 4.91 %
Colour (SRM): 8.8 (EBC): 17.3
Bitterness (IBU): 47.4 (Average)

97% Maris Otter Malt
3% Crystal 120

1.7 g/L Bobek (4.1% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil)
1.7 g/L Celeia (3.7% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil)
1.5 g/L Bobek (4.1% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil)
1.5 g/L Celeia (3.7% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil)


Single step Infusion at 66°C for 90 Minutes. Boil for 90 Minutes

Fermented at 20°C with SOMETHING


Recipe Generated with BrewMate

The figures come out at 4.709kg of MO, 0.136kg Crystal, and 40g for each of the 90 minute hops and 35g for the final additions. I was going to go with 100% MO, but BrewMate wasn't happy with the colour, so I put some crystal in to keep it happy. Does this look like a fair attempt at a recipe? What do people think about the timings/amounts of the hops?
I was also wondering what to use for yeast, go for some Gervin I can pick up from Wilkos, or try something else?

I won't be brewing for another week as my fermenting fridge is full. :D It's also broken, as it seems it doesn't actually cool, but that's a different issue.


Edited to change the recipe name, I've now decided to call the planned beer MOC, taken from the initials of the grains, and after my favourite music play for linux MOC - Music On Console.
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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby Kyle_T » Sat Jun 14, 2014 09:41

Hello mate, I recently stuck up an IPA recipe myself asking for help, got some good advice and set up my hop schedule with 2 x 90 minute hops and then additions at 15 minutes, 10 minutes and 5 minutes polished off by a flameout or dry hop.

Your malt bill looks alright but again I'm no expert, I think I might have a full bag of Bobek hops in the garage I won't be using if you want me to check?

Cheers.

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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby EvansTheSteam » Sat Jun 14, 2014 09:57

No reason in my mind why you shouldn't brew with pale malt only!
When I did it the result was very pale and a slight lack of body.
Maybe the lack of body could be rectified with a slightly higher mash temp.
To my way of thinking the hops used are a personal choice, unless you are trying to clone another beer.
In other words, do your own thing!

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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby maggs » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:24

Kyle_T wrote:Hello mate, I recently stuck up an IPA recipe myself asking for help, got some good advice and set up my hop schedule with 2 x 90 minute hops and then additions at 15 minutes, 10 minutes and 5 minutes polished off by a flameout or dry hop.

Your malt bill looks alright but again I'm no expert, I think I might have a full bag of Bobek hops in the garage I won't be using if you want me to check?

Cheers.


So more hops and more additions, sounds reasonable. I'm still finding my way with AG so I'll dig out your thread and have a look at the advice. If you do have some bobek lying around that would be good, cheers.

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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby Moley » Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:41

As I understand it, Bobek is a Styrian, Aurora is a Super Styrian and Celeia is a cross between the two.

I have plenty of Styrian pellets in the freezer if you were thinking of brewing this weekend.
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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby Kyle_T » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:16

Of course mate, I'll check when I get home and we can sort out posting them up for you.

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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby Midnight Brew » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:29

When I think of simple IPA I think of:
70% Ale
30% Munich
Mash 66C and aim for 1060
FWH 1/3 to a 1/2 of the desired IBU
Flavour additions (10-20 minutes or desried) to the rest of the ibu
Ferment 18C
Dry hop as desired.
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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby maggs » Sat Jun 14, 2014 14:32

Moley wrote:As I understand it, Bobek is a Styrian, Aurora is a Super Styrian and Celeia is a cross between the two.

I have plenty of Styrian pellets in the freezer if you were thinking of brewing this weekend.

Cheers for the offer, but I won't have chance to brew this weekend even if I had an FV free. :D The info on the hops sounds right.
Kyle_T wrote:Of course mate, I'll check when I get home and we can sort out posting them up for you.

Cheers.
Midnight Brew wrote:When I think of simple IPA I think of:
70% Ale
30% Munich
Mash 66C and aim for 1060
FWH 1/3 to a 1/2 of the desired IBU
Flavour additions (10-20 minutes or desried) to the rest of the ibu
Ferment 18C
Dry hop as desired.

FWH? I'm guessing that's something to do with the first hops at the start of the boil, but what does the acronym stand for?
If I'm understanding correctly, I only want to hit a third to half of the total desired IBU with the full boil hops, and then the last half to two thirds of the IBU's will come from the later additions?
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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby Moley » Sat Jun 14, 2014 15:01

First Wort Hops
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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby Kyle_T » Sat Jun 14, 2014 15:11

Just checked the garage and they are unopened 2011 Harvest Whole Leaf Bobek Hops, 100g 6.17% AA. If there any good just lemme know.

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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby Midnight Brew » Sat Jun 14, 2014 22:47

[/quote]
FWH? I'm guessing that's something to do with the first hops at the start of the boil, but what does the acronym stand for?
If I'm understanding correctly, I only want to hit a third to half of the total desired IBU with the full boil hops, and then the last half to two thirds of the IBU's will come from the later additions?[/quote]

First Wort Hop, so you add your hops to the kettle as you are draining into it from the mash tun. Or if BIAB throw them in when you raise the bag.

Correct with the IBU additions.
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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby EvansTheSteam » Sun Jun 15, 2014 01:09

Midnight Brew wrote:First Wort Hop, so you add your hops to the kettle as you are draining into it from the mash tun. Or if BIAB throw them in when you raise the bag.

Spot on MB, I even put my hops in the BK before I start Sparging.

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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby maggs » Sun Jun 15, 2014 22:05

How does putting the hops in before coming to the boil affect the IBU of the beer?
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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby EvansTheSteam » Sun Jun 15, 2014 22:16

I don't think it does alter the IBU, but it certainly stops "boil over"!

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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby Kyle_T » Mon Jun 16, 2014 18:15

Just done some number crunching and arrived at this for you:

MOC

All Grain - 23 Litres.
Style: 14A, English IPA
OG: 1.052
FG: 1.013
IBU: 53
SRM: 9.1
ABV: 5.1%
Balance: 1.03

Grain Bill:

5kg Maris Otter (97.0%)
155g Crystal Malt 120 (3.0%)

Hop Schedule:

60g Bobek Leaf 6.1% AA @ 90 Minutes: IBU: 35
30g Celeia Leaf 3.7% AA @ 90 Minutes: IBU: 11
30g Bobek Leaf 4.1% AA @ 10 Minutes: IBU: 4
45g Bobek Leaf 4.1% AA @ 5 Minutes: IBU: 3
40g Bobek Leaf 6.1% AA @ Flameout: 20 Minute Steep: IBU: 0
45g Celeia Leaf 3.7% AA @ Dry Hop 4-7 Days: IBU: 0

Boil Additions:

3g Irish Moss @ 10 Minutes.

Yeast:

Safeale S-04 English Ale Yeast 11g (or whatever takes your fancy).

Not sure if that's the kind of thing your after but it uses all the hops and isn't much more bitter than your original.

Cheers.

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Re: AG#2 Help with planning a simple IPA

Postby maggs » Mon Jun 16, 2014 18:44

That sounds good to me. Cheers for the help, especially the hop schedule.

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