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Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Wed May 14, 2014 22:41

Hi guys

Anybody got a recipe for the above, picked up a packet of mongrove jack bavarian wheat yeast and thought I would give it a go

My capacity comfortable would be 20l biab style

Any recommendations would be great and if I could use the following hops even better-

Cascade
Fuggles
Northern brewer
Styrian goldings

I am happy to buy some however :)



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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby Nobbyipa » Thu May 15, 2014 00:08

chocolate dunkle
2.1kg wheat
1.6 Vienna
2kg Maris
80 g carawheat
90 g chocolate [English]
50 gram cara malt 100 srm


2 stage mash

10 litres 63 C 20 mins

8 litres 71C 60 mins

Fly sparge

Using safale wheat yeast rehydrated 110 ml pre- boiled water 19C


24 gram fuggle at 90 mins
23 grams hallertauer hersbrucker 15 mins
Zero 13 gram hellertauer
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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby robwalker » Thu May 15, 2014 09:56

depends what you want...

for a typical hefe, use northern brewer hops at 60 and 15 mins to 18 IBUs. they're not quite german noble hops, but certainly close enough.

styrian goldings and fuggles can be added for aroma in small amounts if you wish, but hefes arn't traditionally hoppy.

you can also brew a hoppy wheat with the cascade if you want - it's a nice style but if you're after more banana and clove than grapefruit, leave it out.

I've used that yeast before - it acts like a typical wheat yeast, so pump the temperature if you want more banana, ferment at the low end for more spice and clove. if you don't have temp control just choose a room that sits around that temp, and for more heat wrap it in a sleeping bag. I got about 28c using this method last time for a saison.

you can also step mash if you want. Pittsy will be along soon to own this topic, but it can add a range of complexities by your beer if you're capable of heating the liquor while the bag is still in.
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Postby zgoda » Thu May 15, 2014 17:38

I like dunkles wieissbier brewed from wheat, pale munich and crystal malts (150 and 600 EBC). Mash like any other wieissbier in 3 steps (43, 63, 71 c), 15-18 ibu at most from mild hops at 60 mins.
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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Thu May 15, 2014 17:54

Many thanks guys, I could do a step as I have a false bottom. Will probably use the northern brewer for the first one then make another to pitch on the yeast cake

Many thanks

I will await pittsy

Can this yeast be used for a pale wheat?


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Thu May 15, 2014 17:59

Nobbyipa wrote:chocolate dunkle
2.1kg wheat
1.6 Vienna
2kg Maris
80 g carawheat
90 g chocolate [English]
50 gram cara malt 100 srm


2 stage mash

10 litres 63 C 20 mins

8 litres 71C 60 mins

Fly sparge

Using safale wheat yeast rehydrated 110 ml pre- boiled water 19C


24 gram fuggle at 90 mins
23 grams hallertauer hersbrucker 15 mins
Zero 13 gram hellertauer


Is that 1.6kg of Vienna?


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby pittsy » Thu May 15, 2014 18:29

Zgoda has said all that should be said :thumb: Using a munich (or vienna) malt will give you more malty beer , adding some crystal helps give you that sweetness , do not try and get a dark colour from these grains alone , use a very small amount of choc malt to darken (very small) . Not used that yeast myself but it will be good for a pale weiss bier . Hope it turns out a cracker for you .( avoid fermenting over 22c , i opt for 20c usually)
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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Thu May 15, 2014 18:52

Ok so if I am after big banana do I not go over 22?

Thanks for help

So how about: equal wheat and Munich for a pale beer

Then equal wheat and Munich with some crystal, small amount of chocolate to pitch on yeast cake


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Thu May 15, 2014 18:55

Also no one can see an issue with wheat beer biab?

20 mins at 43
60 mins at 63
10 at 71?


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby robwalker » Thu May 15, 2014 21:30

I had no problems mate, just stir well when doughing in as its thicker than pale. Dont mash in the 40s unless you have proper german pilsner malt, i forget the brands, but with english pale that will sour it.

you wont get huge banana with mangrove jacks but its a lovely balanced profile and a near perfect hefe :)
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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Thu May 15, 2014 22:14

Awesome thanks rob, will post up the beersmiths tomorrow


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Mon May 19, 2014 10:16

Have a gander at these and let me know what you think ImageImage


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby pittsy » Mon May 19, 2014 17:18

i would increase the wheat malt to approx 60% and i would drop the choc to around 50g , 220g is way too much imo .
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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Mon May 19, 2014 17:46

Sound special b is ok up there?


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Mon May 19, 2014 18:51

Is that for both hefe and dunkel?


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby pittsy » Mon May 19, 2014 19:05

I'd be careful with special b , only small amounts . Don't worry about darkness just try and get a beer (dunkel) that is creamy , malty and sweet/carmel more than you would for a pale weiss bier
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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Mon May 19, 2014 19:50

Okidoki I will drop both to 50g and up the wheat


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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby robwalker » Mon May 19, 2014 19:58

are you kegging or bottling? just a warning that my keg cleared after a month with no irish moss or fining agents! this is obviously not desirable in a wheat beer, but I think shaking would probably fix it...
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Re: Dunkelweizen, dark hefeweizen needed :)

Postby CoxyBoy » Mon May 19, 2014 20:34

I am bottling rob, many thanks

Think I will go with 100g crystal and 50g choc

Will make this Saturday I think


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