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Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Sat Feb 25, 2017 22:16

I really enjoyed my 2.5% Rye Porter (viewtopic.php?f=63&t=10630) and I'm wondering how to apply this over to a hoppy pale in the vein of the Kernel's Table Beer and coming in around 3%.

Now, I've made decent enough ~4% hoppy beers before (viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5477) and a second runnings black IPA at ~1.037 for 3.5%. The Hoppy Pale and Black Table Beer were pretty good, but both used rather traditional recipes (caramalt, carapils, a wee handful of oats) and could be better.

As it is I'm thinking of going in two directions; one following the Rye Table Porter, and one inspired by hippest/murkiest of the hip/hip - North East IPAs. A quick recipe for each is below. Hops are just indicitive to get an idea of bitterness.

I know the NE style will turn out well enough, but I'm not so sure about all the rye malt. I'm wondering if it could clash with the hops when used in such high proportions?



Pale Rye Table Beer

Original Gravity (OG): 1.038 (°P): 9.5
Final Gravity (FG): 1.014 (°P): 3.6
Alcohol (ABV): 3.09 %
Colour (SRM): 6.1 (EBC): 12.0
Bitterness (IBU): 22 (Average)

57% Rye Malt
38% Maris Otter Malt
5% Caramalt

1 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
1.3 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
1.3 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Hop Stand for 30 minutes)
2.2 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 4 Days (Dry Hop)
2.2 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 11 Days (Dry Hop)

Single step Infusion at 70°C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes

Fermented at 18°C with Wyeast 1318 - London Ale III

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Pale Table Beer

Original Gravity (OG): 1.035 (°P): 8.8
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (°P): 3.1
Alcohol (ABV): 3.07 %
Colour (SRM): 3.9 (EBC): 7.7
Bitterness (IBU): 22 (Average)

50% Maris Otter Malt
35% Oat Malt
15% Wheat Malt

0.7 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil)
1.1 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
1.1 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
1.1 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil)
2.2 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 11 Days (Dry Hop)
2.2 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 4 Days (Dry Hop)


Single step Infusion at 70°C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes

Fermented at 18°C with Wyeast 1318 - London Ale III

NE water profile.
Recipe Generated with BrewMate
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:41

I'm probably going to brew a couple of gallons of the oaty version tomorrow. Thinking of trying some GP75 hops, although perhaps I should save them for a more proven recipe..
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby HTH1975 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 13:18

57% rye malt - good luck lautering that. I used 50% for a rye PA that was incidentally very nice, but a total bitch to mash. It got stuck a few times, even with wheat hulls in the mash.

It was also a bit to slick/viscous with that much rye. 25% rye would be more than enough imo.

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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Thu Mar 02, 2017 23:06

HTH1975 wrote:57% rye malt - good luck lautering that. I used 50% for a rye PA that was incidentally very nice, but a total bitch to mash. It got stuck a few times, even with wheat hulls in the mash.

It was also a bit to slick/viscous with that much rye. 25% rye would be more than enough imo.


Good thing with Biab is I don't really need to worry about sparging. 57%+ Rye is what I used in the Rye Porter that turned out well :thumb: . I do wonder about the mouthfeel though. I could always add a tiny bit of sugar if it's tasting too thick early on.
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby robwalker » Fri Mar 03, 2017 09:59

The obscene grain bill but low abv sounds interesting here, might be a nice way to get a taste of some of the grains usually used in lower quantities.
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 13:32

The 70C mash temp is a good call - I did that recently on a 70 Shilling and it worked out great.

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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Fri Mar 03, 2017 17:41

Well that's the grain bought and all mixed together in bags so there's no backing out of it now!
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Sat Mar 04, 2017 22:10

NE Table Beer succesfully brewed today. Mosaic at 10 (0.5g/l), 5(1g/l), and 0 (1.3g/l) for a twenty minute steep and ~20-25 IBU.

A relatively restrained amount of hops in there for me don't you think?
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Sat Mar 04, 2017 23:22

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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Sat Mar 25, 2017 23:51

Final recipe - NE Table beer: as brewed w/actual FG.

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Clocked in at 2.8% in the end and opened myfirst bottle today. I messed up and dragged way too much yeast into the bottling bucket and onwards into the bottles, so there's an awful lot of sediment. My London Ale III also was very slow starting so I chucked in some S-04. All that aside it's tasting pretty fantastic.

My aim was to make something comparable to Kernel's table beer and I think I've gotten pretty damn close. Minimal bitterness and a ridiculous amount of hop flavour and aroma. Stacks of oats and wheat give it the body needed and help elevate it above my previous ttempts. I doubt it's a recipe that will age well, but stick it in a keg in summer..
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby BarnsleyBrewer » Sun Mar 26, 2017 00:06

2.5% bladder breaker...... Lol

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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Sun Mar 26, 2017 00:19

BarnsleyBrewer wrote:2.5% bladder breaker...... Lol


Not a bad name :P
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby rlemkin » Sun Apr 02, 2017 22:37

Seemed well received at the homebrew club despite being warm, overcarbed (walk + yeast) and hella yeasty. Someone said it was a bit like Brewdog's Elvis Juice.. ridiculously grapefruity, but without the alcohol..

This will be my summer beer if I get my kegs set up in time :whistle:
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 01:15

The pale table beer recipe especially looks great. I'm gonna have a bash at something like that this summer.

Mind, I've earmarked an elderflower pale first - loads of wild elderflowers round here.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed (need to update this figure)
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Re: Pale Table Beer / NE Table Beer

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:27

The pale table beer recipe especially looks great. I'm gonna have a bash at something like that this summer.

Mind, I've earmarked an elderflower pale first - loads of wild elderflowers round here.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed (need to update this figure)
Drinking: Landlord clone
Conditioning: ciders from 2016, hedgerow barrolo, 1914 Courage RIS (10%).
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