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Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 01:24
by xCamel xSlayer
I'm torn between The Kernel EIP and this Stout from Oregon Brewer "Ninkasi".
This sounds much more my thing tbh, just thought I'd get your thoughts before I buy the ingredients later today...

This is straight out of the Euan Ferguson recipe book.

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Just incase those pics don't show, here's the list:

Grist:
5kg Maris Otter
390g Choc, Crystal, Flaked Oats
330g Vienna
130g Roasted Barley
70g Rice Hulls (Do I need these?)

Mash: 40 mins (??) @ 67C

Nugget 23g @ 60
Nugget 23g @ 30

Boil time: 60 mins?

Yeast: WLP005
IBU: 46

My first query is the short mash time. What are your thoughts on this? I've never heard of such a short mash time.
Also what type of Crystal would you expect to use here?

Should i be concerned about that FG?

Do you this this size of grain bill is a bit too complex for someone at my level? I'm not about keeping things simple obviously!

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Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:02
by xCamel xSlayer
Its probably worth mentioning as well that Nugget doesn't seem to be available from MM at the moment.
Any suggestions on a substitute?

Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:05
by robwalker
Dude stop other thinking and just brew something, strong stouts always, always taste awesome!

Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:08
by xCamel xSlayer
robwalker wrote:Dude stop other thinking and just brew something, strong stouts always, always taste awesome!


I'm going with this one mate for sure.
I'm too much of a tinkerer but always the perfectionist... hence why I ask so many questions... :doh:
The mash time was the one thing I was curious about mainly. I usually mash for 75 mins..!

Any suggestions on replacements for Nugget?
Do I just need a decent bittering hop? Suggestions thrown up online suggest Galena or Columbus...

Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 13:19
by robwalker
90 mins might make for a more fermentable wort depending what kinda FG you're after. Those hops both sound fine, nugget are American aren't they?

Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 13:25
by xCamel xSlayer
robwalker wrote:90 mins might make for a more fermentable wort depending what kinda FG you're after. Those hops both sound fine, nugget are American aren't they?


I opted for Columbus at about 40 IBU.
Its on order, so I'll be kicking it off on Saturday.

The book references an OG of 1.070 and an FG of 1.020 which is what Beersmith brought up as well.
It struck me as odd at first but ive seen a few posts dotted around that suggest 1.020 isn't such a bad finish.
This is where I'm not experienced enough to understand exactly why this is or what final finish it would provide - I presume more on the sweet side with the larger sugar molecules harder to break down?

Its the 40 min mash that has me totally confused though. With the size of grain bill I have, won't I struggle to hit my targets with such a short mash time?

Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 13:33
by HTH1975
No need for the rice hulls - they aid in lautering, but you only really need them if you're using a LOT of wheat or Rye.

Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 13:36
by xCamel xSlayer
HTH1975 wrote:No need for the rice hulls - they aid in lautering, but you only really need them if you're using a LOT of wheat or Rye.


Left them out mate as I figured I wouldn't need them. :thumb:

Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 22:36
by HTH1975
xCamel xSlayer wrote:
HTH1975 wrote:No need for the rice hulls - they aid in lautering, but you only really need them if you're using a LOT of wheat or Rye.


Left them out mate as I figured I wouldn't need them. :thumb:


Nice one

Re: Ninkasi Oatis Stout

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 22:38
by HTH1975
Just as an aside, you can also replace rice hulls with wheat husks - they do the same thing. However, as I said before, they're not required with your grain bill.