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The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Jan 20, 2017 16:02

OK, so I've been reading up on what is supposedly the actual recipe for The Kernel EIP.
As it is a dark beer I thoroughly enjoy, I decided I'd give it a whirl.

Below is what I've plugged in to BS.
Hops are open to interpretation according to the notes. Both Bramling Cross and Columbus are mentioned so I've decided to have a crack at BC with a bit of Centennial...

Thoughts on my timings/quantity?
Have I got a decent IBU?

I also need to create a new mash profile at 69C. I'm still properly learning about that but my guess is that I'll need to up my grist as my FG wont be as low?

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Manual recipe in case the photos aren't showing up...

20L batch
6%ABV
OG: 1.059
FG: 1.014 <-- This was based on 65C mash profile. Need to create a 69C version still.
IBU: 41
EBC: 72

Mash Temp: 69C for 60 mins

4.26kg Maris Otter (75.5%)
0.39kg Chocolate (7%)
0.39kg Dark Crystal (7%)
0.39kg Brown (7%)
0.19kg Black (3.5%)

Boil time: 60 mins

46g Bramling Cross - 60 mins
16g Bramling Cross - 15 mins
16g Centennial - 10 mins
10g Centennial - 5 mins

Yeast: WLP013 (Or other dry equivalent as I'm not confident/never attempted using liquid and making a starter).

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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby Dennis King » Fri Jan 20, 2017 16:29

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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Jan 20, 2017 16:38

Dennis King wrote:Links have not come through.



They're showing up on my screen mate, on desktop and mobile..?

I'll type it manually anyway and add it to the original post.
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby secla » Fri Jan 20, 2017 20:05

Not used the mobile version of bs but in the pic version you select the style of beer and it will tell you the ebc/ibu range for that style

Give it a bash, should make a nice beer
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Jan 20, 2017 21:31

Gonna give it a crack. Its what home brew is about I guess, trial and error. Could be great could be awful!

Just need some guidance with water profiling tbh
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Jan 20, 2017 21:32

secla wrote:Not used the mobile version of bs but in the pic version you select the style of beer and it will tell you the ebc/ibu range for that style

Give it a bash, should make a nice beer


Didn't realise that so I'll check it out thanks
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 22:37

xCamel xSlayer wrote:Gonna give it a crack. Its what home brew is about I guess, trial and error. Could be great could be awful!

Just need some guidance with water profiling tbh


I'd stay away from adding any brewing salts until you have a water report. I certainly wouldn't add any gypsum as people seem to do willy nilly. If anything you could add some calcium chloride to emphasise the malts.

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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Jan 20, 2017 23:38

I'm gonna pop in and see my brewing mate tomorrow and see what he recommends. Stouts seem to be his forte so hopefully he will have a decent plan
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby robwalker » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:44

Danstar sell a London ale yeast, not sure if they're doing it in home brew sizes yet actually, but it's low attenuating. Your FG depends mostly on your yeast so figure out what you're using and go from there. With 1.059 and 65% attenuation you'll hit around 5.2% - just up the Maris otter and not the other ingredients.
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:17

robwalker wrote:Danstar sell a London ale yeast, not sure if they're doing it in home brew sizes yet actually, but it's low attenuating. Your FG depends mostly on your yeast so figure out what you're using and go from there. With 1.059 and 65% attenuation you'll hit around 5.2% - just up the Maris otter and not the other ingredients.


Thanks Rob. So I don't adjust the quantities of the other malts to keep the percentages the same? just the base malt?
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby robwalker » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:27

Imo, no. You're brewing the same volume so don't adjust the speciality malts. I think I've had that beer before, was it very dry and sharp?
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 13:25

robwalker wrote:Imo, no. You're brewing the same volume so don't adjust the speciality malts. I think I've had that beer before, was it very dry and sharp?



I'll be buying a bottle this afternoon to refresh my memory...
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby Rolfster » Sat Jan 21, 2017 16:09

robwalker wrote:Danstar sell a London ale yeast, not sure if they're doing it in home brew sizes yet actually, but it's low attenuating. Your FG depends mostly on your yeast so figure out what you're using and go from there. With 1.059 and 65% attenuation you'll hit around 5.2% - just up the Maris otter and not the other ingredients.


Rob are you thinking of the esb yeast?
Mine stopped fermenting at 1.022 and would not budge! I ended up pitching us05 to get it to finish. It's still a bit on the sweet side...
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 17:20

Would Us05 be a decent yeast to pitch?
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby Rolfster » Sat Jan 21, 2017 19:35

This one doesn't look like your typical hop forward apa. While it will give good results you may be better going with a different yeast...... But I don't know the beer so would hesitate to recommend one!
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 19:45

Rolfster wrote:This one doesn't look like your typical hop forward apa. While it will give good results you may be better going with a different yeast...... But I don't know the beer so would hesitate to recommend one!


I might just go ahead with the wlp013 that it recommends then. I've just never used liquid yeast or made any form of starter so I'm just nervous to try it I guess!
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 20:08

So by complete coincidence, I went out and picked up a bottle of this today to find it actually has Centennial in it. I didn't even know when I was putting the recipe together!

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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby Rolfster » Sat Jan 21, 2017 21:10

xCamel xSlayer wrote:
Rolfster wrote:This one doesn't look like your typical hop forward apa. While it will give good results you may be better going with a different yeast...... But I don't know the beer so would hesitate to recommend one!


I might just go ahead with the wlp013 that it recommends then. I've just never used liquid yeast or made any form of starter so I'm just nervous to try it I guess!


Liquid yeasts are good and nothing to worry about. You need some spray malt or some thing to make up a starter.
Just be very careful and over the top with sanitation!
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 22:31

Now I've had this bottle I'm not sure I want to dive in with the centennial. Although I enjoyed it, for me it was too hop heavy compared to the other Stouts/porters I've had and liked. I'm sure their previous versions haven't been that hop forward so maybe it's the dry hop?

What do you guys think
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby legionuk » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:10

I brewed this before Xmas, I split my brewl into different pots in the last 15 mins of the boil and use different hops and yeasts and added liquor to make different beers.

I did
1064 og Columbus and trois yeast
1050 og endeavour and Nottingham (no dry hop)
1050 og endeavour and Lo Christi Brett blend (no dry hop)

All of them turned out tasty.

Historically the export porter was a very happy beer, the kernel have toned it down.

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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby robwalker » Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:42

Rolfster wrote:
robwalker wrote:Danstar sell a London ale yeast, not sure if they're doing it in home brew sizes yet actually, but it's low attenuating. Your FG depends mostly on your yeast so figure out what you're using and go from there. With 1.059 and 65% attenuation you'll hit around 5.2% - just up the Maris otter and not the other ingredients.


Rob are you thinking of the esb yeast?
Mine stopped fermenting at 1.022 and would not budge! I ended up pitching us05 to get it to finish. It's still a bit on the sweet side...


Yeah I've heard the same. You're looking at 60%-65% attenuation - great for full bodied low abv beers however 3.5%-4.2% or so.
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Tue Jan 24, 2017 17:14

Where is the best place to look for yeast starter help?
I don't have the flask or a stir bar, so this will be all manual.
Did someone mention a 2 Ltr bottle somewhere? I can't quite remember...
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby secla » Tue Jan 24, 2017 21:58

Do a google for shaken not stirred yeast starter. Can use a 5l shop water bottle or something similar
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Re: The Kernel Export India Porter

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 09:11

secla wrote:Do a google for shaken not stirred yeast starter. Can use a 5l shop water bottle or something similar


Exactly what I was about to recommend - 5L water bottle, then make a hole in the top for an airlock.

I ran out of my usual DJs for this purpose on my recent brew and used a 5L spring water bottle - worked absolutely fine.

I just shake the bottle when I go in the kitchen - ain't got any stir-bar.

A 2L starter @ 1.038 is a good rule of thumb.

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