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Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 19:27
by RokDok
I've never brewed a brown ale before, and I'm not a fan of the most famous one in clear bottles. I was recently in Berlin and found ( at last ) some decent beer in a brew pub which was a converted butchers on the outskirts off the city and had some brown ale which was fantastic. It was only lightly hopped and was quite sweet but with a greater alcohol content than Manns.
Would anyone share a recipe if they've made something like this ?
Thanks
RD

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 20:00
by Kyle_T
Piddle Dribbles Moose Drool is one I've had on my list for ages, it should be on here somewhere.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 20:10
by HTH1975
As I understand, brown ale made in the north of England tends to be more bitter, while southern examples are sweeter with less bitterness.

I've made the southern brown ale in Gregg Hughes' book and it's a nice drop.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 19:03
by RokDok
Thanks Kyle & HTH 1975, I've had a look at piddle dribbles & I forgot that there was a recipe in Greg Hughe's book, I'll do a recipe with some brown chocolate and biscuit malt in, but based on the above recipes. I'll post it later and welcome your adjustments. I do want it quite sweet .

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 20:03
by RokDok
Righto , I'd like a brown ale- much lighter than a porter but significantly browner than an amber bitter, sweetish and malty.
I'm having a bit of a pre-Xmas brew fest and will probably brew 4-5 different beers so I've got various malts arriving in the next couple of days.

Volume 50 litres

Grain :
Pale 8500 g 86 %
Brown 500g 5.1 %
Amber 500g 5.1 %
Dark crystal 100g 1%
Chocolat 100 g 1 %
Wheat ( for head ) 200g 2 %

Hops

Challenger 7.6 alpha 25g at 90 mins
Northdown 8.3 alpha 20 g at 90 mins
Styrian Goldings 20g at 10 mins

Yeast Safale S-04
OG 1044
Colour 42 EBC
Bitterness 20 EBU

Any Good ??
Cheers

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 20:54
by HTH1975
If you want a sweeter brown ale, I'd suggest more crystal malt (5%) and mash at 67C.

Apart from that, it looks good. Personally I'd go with challenger for your last hop addition too.

IBU and EBC seem fine, possibly a wee bit dark according to recipes I have to hand (more like 27-37 EBC).

I used Ringwood for my Southern Brown Ale - it's very balanced and clears great. Works in porters/stouts and IPAs too. Great yeast.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 20:58
by HTH1975
68-72% attenuation for Ringwood.

75% attenuation for Saf-04, so it's gonna make for a drier beer.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 23:29
by RokDok
HTH, Thanks for the advice , I'll up the crystal, It'll be darker, but actually so what- it's the taste that counts.
I'll think about the challenger swap - I think the styrian gives a little bit of a floral taste - but then again, if I ask for advice i'll change it to all challenger.
Good advice re a low attenuation yeast to make it sweeter, they don't do a bottle conditioned beer that I can nick the yeast off which is a shame.
Wonder what Kyle thinks ?

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:02
by Kyle_T
Well, I've had a look and walked away several times for a think and this is what I would do:

RokDok Brown Ale


Recipe Specs
----------------
Batch Size (L): 50.0
Total Grain (kg): 10.000
Total Hops (g): 100.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.046 (°P): 11.4
Final Gravity (FG): 1.014 (°P): 3.6
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.22 %
Colour (SRM): 25.7 (EBC): 50.5
Bitterness (IBU): 30.2 (Tinseth)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 75
Boil Time (Minutes): 60

Grain Bill
----------------
8.300 kg Maris Otter Malt (83%)
0.500 kg Chocolate (5%)
0.500 kg Crystal 120 (5%)
0.250 kg Amber Malt (2.5%)
0.250 kg Brown Malt (2.5%)
0.200 kg Wheat Malt (2%)

Hop Bill
----------------
40.0 g Challenger Leaf (7.6% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (0.8 g/L)
30.0 g Northdown Leaf (8.3% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)
30.0 g Styrian Golding Leaf (4.4% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)

Misc Bill
----------------

Single step Infusion at 68°C for 90 Minutes.
Fermented at 21°C with MGJ Newcastle Dark Ale

Recipe Generated with BrewMate

With modern brown ales it is more to do with the residual sweetness and not so much the roast, bearing that in mind you will want a greater quantity of crystal and chocolate to achieve the base flavours, roast should come in support and a splash of wheat for the head retention, they key to brown ales is to mash high and ferment low if you do not wish to have an addition of lactose, S-O4 will dry the beer out and take away the sweetness unless you stall the fermentation.

Your bitterness isn't high enough to balance the malt/sweetness/bitterness and when it comes to crystal malts, this is one of the deciding factors as to whether the beer appears sweet or sickly sweet. This recipe will give you something around the 4 - 4.2% abv line with the sweetness you are after and a back note of roast.

Don't take my word as gospel but I hope it helps :thumb:

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 19:00
by RokDok
Kyle, thanks very much. I'll give this a go. Quite excited to try this. I'll let you guys know how it turns out Cheers RD

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 19:23
by RokDok
Big brew day today Kyle , a bit close to Xmas but it'll be OK. Did 120 l of bitter and then 60 l of Brown. Forgot to multiply the Challneger and Northdown hops by 20 % so I put 60 g of Styrian Goldings in for the last 10 minutes. Running out of FVs , just about had enough for the bitter , the Brown is in the conical in the garage so will have to cool naturally. Cheers- I'll bring a couple of bottles to the festival . Thanks Kyle.RD

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 19:30
by Kyle_T
The Brown Ale will be ready in time for Christmas, they can be drunk young or old when the roast content is fairly low.

You'll have to report back and let me know how it is.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 19:46
by Pjam
Looks good. Yeast choice looks important in this case ...... as already mentioned. Something with lowish attenuation.

I just brewed a dark beer and as an alternative to chocolate I tried Carafa III. It's less harsh I've been told.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 19:57
by Kyle_T
Carafa III is Roast, Carafa I is Chocolate.

It will give a lovely smoothness to the beer.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 20:03
by Pjam
Kyle_T wrote:Carafa III is Roast.

It will give a lovely smoothness to the beer.


Yeah, quite excited about this one. My WLP 023 is still working away, first time I've used it.

You need a good dark beer or two in your repertoire.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 20:13
by Kyle_T
One or two? My entire repertoire is made of them :lol: I need to go the other way but I make crap pale beers!

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 20:29
by Pjam
Kyle_T wrote: I need to go the other way but I make crap pale beers!


:lol: in that case everyone needs one or two good Pale Ales in their repertoire. :)

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 22:35
by RokDok
Glad to hear that the Brown can be drunk young !
How about trying a pilsner Kyle ?!

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 08:58
by Kyle_T
Steady on Dok!

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 23:59
by Lanky94
Kyle_T wrote:Well, I've had a look and walked away several times for a think and this is what I would do:

RokDok Brown Ale


Recipe Specs
----------------
Batch Size (L): 50.0
Total Grain (kg): 10.000
Total Hops (g): 100.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.046 (°P): 11.4
Final Gravity (FG): 1.014 (°P): 3.6
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.22 %
Colour (SRM): 25.7 (EBC): 50.5
Bitterness (IBU): 30.2 (Tinseth)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 75
Boil Time (Minutes): 60

Grain Bill
----------------
8.300 kg Maris Otter Malt (83%)
0.500 kg Chocolate (5%)
0.500 kg Crystal 120 (5%)
0.250 kg Amber Malt (2.5%)
0.250 kg Brown Malt (2.5%)
0.200 kg Wheat Malt (2%)

Hop Bill
----------------
40.0 g Challenger Leaf (7.6% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (0.8 g/L)
30.0 g Northdown Leaf (8.3% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)
30.0 g Styrian Golding Leaf (4.4% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.6 g/L)

Misc Bill
----------------

Single step Infusion at 68°C for 90 Minutes.
Fermented at 21°C with MGJ Newcastle Dark Ale

Recipe Generated with BrewMate

With modern brown ales it is more to do with the residual sweetness and not so much the roast, bearing that in mind you will want a greater quantity of crystal and chocolate to achieve the base flavours, roast should come in support and a splash of wheat for the head retention, they key to brown ales is to mash high and ferment low if you do not wish to have an addition of lactose, S-O4 will dry the beer out and take away the sweetness unless you stall the fermentation.

Your bitterness isn't high enough to balance the malt/sweetness/bitterness and when it comes to crystal malts, this is one of the deciding factors as to whether the beer appears sweet or sickly sweet. This recipe will give you something around the 4 - 4.2% abv line with the sweetness you are after and a back note of roast.

Don't take my word as gospel but I hope it helps :thumb:


I just started at ten gallon batch of this............ :D colour is nice and dark. Smells amazing

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:10
by Kyle_T
Glad it appeals to you. Please do feedback as I haven't made it yet but am interested in what you guys think.

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 20:47
by RokDok
Well mine smelt fantastic - it's in the garage at the moment but fermenting at 17 degs as it is so cold, As the temperature outside increases then so should the FV. As Kyle said - Mash high, ferment low !

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 17:47
by RokDok
It's stayed at 1080 for the last 5 days or so, I've given it a good stir and increased the temp gradually to 22 degrees, so I'm pretty sure this is the final AG rather than the mash being stuck- may well be due to a combination of a high mash temperature with lots of dextrins and the low attenuation of the yeast. It tastes really nice and malty, will be bottling it this weekend. Thanks Kyle- how's yours doing Lanky ?

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 17:49
by Kyle_T
1080!? How big a beer did you make? :lol:

Re: Brown Ale Recipe / Guide Please

PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2016 22:21
by RokDok
Kyle_T wrote:1080!? How big a beer did you make? :lol:

O Gawd- shouldn't have drunk the contents of the hydrometer sample tube - sorry it's 1018