American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Want someone to critique one of your recipes? post it here. Want a recipe for a particular style, ask here.

American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Thu Aug 18, 2016 15:03

I am looking to start my 3rd BIAB AG this weekend, and I recently asked for some help picking a recipe to go at on another site.
Someone came back with this, and I wonder if it is a little too complex for me? I am all for trying it though, I would just like opinions on it please.

I did intend to have a go at Nick's Silver winning IPA from this years HBF, but Citra seems to be non-existent at the moment!

20L in FV

Mash: 75 mins @ 65C
Boil: 60 min? 90 min?

EPMO 3kg
Munich 130g
Crystal 190g
Caramalt 880g

Columbus 2.5g - 60/90 min
Columbus 3.5g / Centennial 6g - 25 min
Columbus 18.5g / Centennial 18.5g - 0 mins

Columbus 100g / Centennial 100g / Cascade 100g - Dry Hop

OG - 1.048
FG - 1.010

Yeast: US-05 <-- Had a few issues with this recently, so I will defo rehydrate this time. Should I be looking at an alternative yeast at all? Or mash at a lower temp?


I am still not confident at all using the Beersmith app, but I really want to be.
I don't want to guess the water content or strike temp either, so I really need to get this nailed down.
Any advice on setting up a profile correctly, or do you have some other reliable method I could follow please?
User avatar
xCamel xSlayer
Brewer
 
Posts: 1045
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 17:39
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby robwalker » Thu Aug 18, 2016 15:46

Just input your figures as closely as possible. Brew using the timers and calculate your efficiency at the end. You need a sight tube on your boiler to get accurate really!
User avatar
robwalker
Brewer
 
Posts: 3420
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2014 18:55
Location: Longbridge, Birmingham

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Thu Aug 18, 2016 15:52

robwalker wrote:Just input your figures as closely as possible. Brew using the timers and calculate your efficiency at the end. You need a sight tube on your boiler to get accurate really!



I think part of my issue is that I haven't set up my profile by measuring my equipment.
Do I just input the height and width of the boiler first off then fill it with enough water so the dip tube can pick it up before measuring what is left over in the bottom? Is this the "dead space" figure?

I have a rule inside of the boiler measuring 5 litre intervals.
User avatar
xCamel xSlayer
Brewer
 
Posts: 1045
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 17:39
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby Dennis King » Thu Aug 18, 2016 16:41

You could try this. Must add I have not tried it myself.
User avatar
Dennis King
Moderator
 
Posts: 3544
Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2014 17:20
Location: ESSEX.

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby robwalker » Thu Aug 18, 2016 16:47

Give it a measure with a 2L jug if you want a working figure. Not as laborious as it sounds, although not entirely accurate.
User avatar
robwalker
Brewer
 
Posts: 3420
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2014 18:55
Location: Longbridge, Birmingham

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Thu Aug 18, 2016 16:55

Thanks guys. Any thoughts on my equipment measuring question re dead space etc?

Any also, what about the recipe then? Think it's achievable by someone such as my rookie self?
User avatar
xCamel xSlayer
Brewer
 
Posts: 1045
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 17:39
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby Zod » Thu Aug 18, 2016 18:17

Looks like a pretty straightforward brew to me. I've brewed much more complex ones and I barely know what I'm doing :-)

User avatar
Zod
Brewer
 
Posts: 1162
Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2014 18:53

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Thu Aug 18, 2016 18:37

Zod wrote:Looks like a pretty straightforward brew to me. I've brewed much more complex ones and I barely know what I'm doing :-)



That's what I wanted to hear!
Some elsewhere commented on the amount of crystal and that it was a bit excessive... I've no idea but it's what the recipe called for!

60 min boil or 90?
User avatar
xCamel xSlayer
Brewer
 
Posts: 1045
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 17:39
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby robwalker » Thu Aug 18, 2016 18:55

I use ex pale MO in most of our beers and I don't find any grain derived dms in there - that said, 90 min boil won't hurt if you want to.

That is a feckin lot of caramalt actually lol, double check with him that's what he did, but if it works...it will be noticeably caramelly.
User avatar
robwalker
Brewer
 
Posts: 3420
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2014 18:55
Location: Longbridge, Birmingham

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Thu Aug 18, 2016 19:03

robwalker wrote:I use ex pale MO in most of our beers and I don't find any grain derived dms in there - that said, 90 min boil won't hurt if you want to.

That is a feckin lot of caramalt actually lol, double check with him that's what he did, but if it works...it will be noticeably caramelly.



With that in mind then, could I just dial back on the caramalt? Would there be any negative consequences in doing so but not adding anything else in its place? I could do with understanding the science behind grain amounts!
User avatar
xCamel xSlayer
Brewer
 
Posts: 1045
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 17:39
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby rlemkin » Thu Aug 18, 2016 19:41

Have a wee look at this sometime: http://www.themadfermentationist.com/20 ... -time.html. Quite good for thinking about recipe building.
User avatar
rlemkin
Brewer
 
Posts: 783
Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:49
Location: Edinburgh.

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby robwalker » Thu Aug 18, 2016 20:13

There's no major science behind crystals really, just don't exceed 20% in general. Mostly pale beers might just want 1%-2% to sweeten them a tiny bit, scotch ales and Milds might want 20% to add a tonne of character and body. General rule of thumb for hoppy pale beers is to stick sub 5% for low abv, don't rush to use it above 6% as the sweetness is supplied by the pale...
User avatar
robwalker
Brewer
 
Posts: 3420
Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2014 18:55
Location: Longbridge, Birmingham

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Thu Aug 18, 2016 21:06

robwalker wrote:There's no major science behind crystals really, just don't exceed 20% in general. Mostly pale beers might just want 1%-2% to sweeten them a tiny bit, scotch ales and Milds might want 20% to add a tonne of character and body. General rule of thumb for hoppy pale beers is to stick sub 5% for low abv, don't rush to use it above 6% as the sweetness is supplied by the pale...


In perspective, it does seem a bloody lot then doesn't it.
The recipe is definitely right, I've checked.
I may have picked the wrong "crystal" as I'm not properly sure what is what. Crystal 150 was called for and it is correct at 190g as well as caramalt at 880g!
I hope this isn't super sweet!

I was quite surprised at the low amount of EPMO tbh. Could I have upped that amount and dropped the others slightly?
User avatar
xCamel xSlayer
Brewer
 
Posts: 1045
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 17:39
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby Goulders » Thu Aug 18, 2016 22:22

Swap the Columbus for Chinook
User avatar
Goulders
Brewer
 
Posts: 394
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2014 21:32

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Thu Aug 18, 2016 22:27

Goulders wrote:Swap the Columbus for Chinook



How come? Never tried Columbus... Do you not like it?
User avatar
xCamel xSlayer
Brewer
 
Posts: 1045
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 17:39
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby graysalchemy » Thu Aug 18, 2016 22:29

I would cut or even drop all those crystal and caramalts they will compete to much with the hops IMHO.

5% wheat malt is the only addition I would make to a pale, but then I hate crystal malts in a hoppy pale or bitter..

Image
User avatar
graysalchemy
Moderator
 
Posts: 5646
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:47
Location: Purgatory

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby Goulders » Fri Aug 19, 2016 07:24

xCamel xSlayer wrote:
Goulders wrote:Swap the Columbus for Chinook



How come? Never tried Columbus... Do you not like it?


I don't like it. I brew an APA which has Chinook, centennial and cascade. Very grapefruit and lush. Similar to dark star apa

94% pale, 4% light crystal and 2% wheat
User avatar
Goulders
Brewer
 
Posts: 394
Joined: Fri Nov 14, 2014 21:32

Re: American Pale - Columbus/Centennial/Cascade

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Aug 19, 2016 22:37

It all arrived today so I'll have a crack at it on Sunday of the weather holds up!
User avatar
xCamel xSlayer
Brewer
 
Posts: 1045
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 17:39
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest