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1st All Grain

Postby big_al » Mon Aug 08, 2016 21:50

Anyone have a simple recipe for a novice ? A pale ale or IPA style, keeping it simple with a none complicated list of ingredients
Thanks :cheers:

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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby robwalker » Mon Aug 08, 2016 22:02

Plenty of all grain kits available online and they're a good place to start as they tend to be straight forward. I always recommend the Landlord clone or Bathams Best clone, lovely beers.
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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby big_al » Mon Aug 08, 2016 22:10

thanks may go kit direction but really wanted to buy grain and hop just for the experience of weighing out etc

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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby Rolfster » Mon Aug 08, 2016 22:15

What is your favourite beer?
A google search might throw up a recipe, and you can go from there. Or someone on here might have done one.
If its a well known beer then it will (probably) be easy to find out!
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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby big_al » Mon Aug 08, 2016 22:35

wainrights, batemans combined harvest, most ipa's not much i dont like lol

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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby Rolfster » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:09

Check this out for a site! http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/ho ... w-recipes/

I'm thinking about number 10 for you. I would just use Maris otter malt instead if the 2 row, and carramalt and maybe a little wheat for the malt. Then use there hops as they do. Use us05 yeast instead of the white labs stuff.
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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby Rolfster » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:13

To clarify what I mean the malt they use is...
12 pounds two-row malt
1 pounds Simpsons Caramalt
8 ounces Carapils
4 ounces Red Wheat.

I would use 16 pound Maris otter. 3 pounds normal malted wheat and 2 pounds catapult or caragold. Or something like that.
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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby Aleman » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:36

Well it's difficult to go wrong with a SMaSH . . .unless the Hop is Target :ill: :ill:

How about a classic English Pale ale something along the lines of Coniston Bluebird??

For around 23L of 4.5% Beer

4.5Kg of Pale malt

Mash for 90 minutes at 64C, collect 28L of wort into the boiler, and boil with

35g Challenger Hops for 90 Minutes (11.4 NAU )
25g Challenger Hops for 15 Minutes (8.1 NAU)
25g Challenger steeped at below 80C for up to 30 minutes (8.1 NAU)
15g Challenger Dry Hopped for 7 Days

For those of you wondering WTF a NAU? :scratch: :scratch: is I've abandoned using any formula that attempts to predict what the IBU level of a beer is. Like Mr Wheeler I've come to think that none of them actually model what is happening in the kettle or FV with any degree of certainty. so I've gone back to an old concept, that of Alpha Acid Units, this was first brought to my notice by Dave Line back in the 70's so it's not a new idea. Dave's Idea was to multiply the Alpha Acid Percentage of the hop by its weight in oz to give an indication of the amount of Alpha Acid added to the wort. US Homebrewers took this forward and divided it by the final volume of beer in the FV in US Gallons to come up with HBU - Homebrewers bittering units). I've just discovered that Mr Wheeler proposed Normalised Alpha Units a while ago that uses metric units, So consider 35g of 7.5% alpha Challenger hops in 23L of beer 35 * 7.5 / 23 = 11.4mAAU. Of course in Dave Lines day an AAU was expressed in oz of hops and gallons hence NAU.

The other benefit of NAU is that it is really easy to substitute for hops of differing AA level as well.

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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby rlemkin » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:54

I would definitely aim for a simple and cheap recipe as things will probably go slightly wrong. My first beer was a centennial blonde ale, I broke my hydrometer at the beginning, and then the electric scales went too! Result was beer..
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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby Rolfster » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:49

Smash = single malt and single hop.

Less weighing out and stuff....
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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby robwalker » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:15

The problem with smashes is that good big aroma hops don't often make good bittering hops. Some are dual purpose, but even those listed as dual purpose might have a rough bitterness - Amarillo and citra being a good example. Like Aleman says, challenger is one of the exceptions and a fine all rounder, but it's a minefield.
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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby big_al » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:49

Thanks for all these ideas, Alemans I like but not sure what you nmean as regards steeping for 30mins at 80c

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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby Aleman » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:58

Cool the hot wort after the boil to below 80C, throw the hops in and let them sit there for up to 30 minutes ;)

Then continue cooling before transferring to the FV

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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby Dennis King » Tue Aug 09, 2016 13:22

Can't go wrong with challenger.
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Re: 1st All Grain

Postby HTH1975 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 22:04

Dennis King wrote:Can't go wrong with challenger.


^ +1

Not quite sure why, but I fell into using challenger as my default bittering hop and it's worked out great. I know one of the bigger micro-breweries round here use it as their default bittering hop too.

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