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The Brewing Forum • View topic - Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?
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Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 18:24
by HTH1975
Hi all,

The missus is out all day tomorrow, so I'm planning another brew.

I'd like to make a straight up Yorkshire bitter, something like Timothy Taylor landlord, or Theakstons bitter.

Could I do this with lager malt with a reasonable degree of success, or should I just buy some Maris Otter?

Alternatively, would an IPA/Pale Ale be better with the lager malts?

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 19:51
by LeithR
If you look at the vast majority of British beers they are made with MO. It wouldn't be Yorkshire bitter if made with Lager malt, so my advice is go buy some MO. At least that way you know what you are aiming at. British and continental beers have a number of similarities and many differences. They ferment at different temperatures British higher than lagers. The yeast they use are different in that British beers are top fermenting while lagers are bottom fermenting. There are many differences, can I suggest you get yourself some beer making books and also some recipe books, maybe Graham Wheelers "Brew your own British Real Ale" and maybe John Palmers "How to Brew" you can read it online at . Its maybe not the best book on the shelf but it goes through all the steps and probably qualifies as a "good place to start".

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 20:01
by 5hats

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 21:10
by PeeBee
"Yorkshire bitter" out of lager malt?

He, he ,he. Well I've got to admire your guts grabbing a laugh like that. Of course, you can say what you like living in... "Thirsk, North Yorkshire"? Err, start spinning the story about getting your account hacked... err, bye then.

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 21:28
by GrahamT

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 21:37
by PhatFil
it would lack body imho so would probably make a good tetleys clone,thats like dishwater, the colour would come from the crystal and black adjuncts.

imho the base malt provides the flavour base of a beer, as you have the lager malt i asume you have already brewed with it? if so how would you rate the malty quality of the beer and do you think it would work well with the bittering hops for your bitter,

Might be worth a small batch to try out, it could be a winner? but could aslo be a fail?

Personally for a pale ale i use MO with no colouring adjuncts which produces a nice malty just amber ale..

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 22:01
by Springer
At your stage of the game H I would stay with tried and tested recipes. You have a better chance there of knowing what you might end up with. ;) Dabbling with lager is fine, if you really want to, but its brewing presents another set of challenges :D
S

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 22:25
by HTH1975
Just asking as I got gifted a load of grains last week and there is a good 10kg of pale lager malt - just wondering about how best to use it up without just making a straight up lager (which I'm not a fan of). Was wondering if I could have used the lager base malt, then added other grains to fill out the flavour and mouth feel. Got plenty of wheat Malts here.

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 22:31
by Goulders
Lager malt is like US2 row for pale ales. Try Mysterious SNPA at some point. That uses lager malt

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 22:42
by Good Ed
There's nothing wrong with using lager malt in combination with some pale malt for pale ales, however you can then also use some Munich or pale crystal to give a bit of body. Not really for a Yorkshire bitter though.

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 01:22
by HTH1975
Ok, so I'm getting the idea that doing a Yorkshire bitter with a lager malt is not gonna fly.

So, I've got a lot of lager malt and have some pale and dark crystal, caramalt, munich, amber, roasted barley, chocolate malt and carafa special 1. Then there is all kinds of wheat malts too, oh, and some rauch.

Using the lager base malt, I've got some decent options there to knock together an IPA or APA judging from what has already been suggested, so I'll go in that direction I reckon.

If anyone has recipe suggests, they're very welcome.

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 08:28
by jaroporter
really suprised at some of the negativity here, are people being blinded by the name? the malt is nothing to do with the yeast used and fermenting temperature?! sure if you do a 100% lager malt bitter you're unlikely to come out with something resembling TTL (yeast aside, obviously), but stick a wedge of crystal in, and maybe a bit of chocolate and you wont be a million miles off many other darker bitters. add a little of that munich (or even amber) and there's some of that malty sweetness you're missing from MO. that's actually why so many american IPAs have munich in their recipes - as said above, their base malt is more like lager malt and they want something more like MO!

but then this brewing as all very simple to me. if a dude in thirsk brews a bitter, then it's a yorkshire bitter.. :cheers:

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 09:07
by Springer

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 09:25
by Kyle_T

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:46
by HTH1975
I like that train of thought - it's a Yorkshire bitter if it's brewed in Yorkshire :0) I'm a Geordie anyway, so it will never be a 'true' Yorkshire bitter, ha ha.

I'm gonna give this a bash - screw it. It certainly is unlikely to be as good as the beers I want to copy, but it should hopefully be drinkable and broadly tasting like a bitter. Wish me luck - everything crossed :D

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:50
by HTH1975
btw, how would one harvest yeast from a beer keg in a pub? - I may have access to TT Landlord at a pub to grow their yeast.

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 13:12
by Kyle_T
Get them to slosh it around into a slurry, drain into a container, add some to a starter.

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 14:31
by Rolfster

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 17:01
by john luc
The issue is the naming of pale malts that sometimes cause brewers to doubt using them. Lager malt,Ale malt,Stout malt,they are base malts and are used to make beer,all beer. They have slight differences in flavor but just because it says Lager does not mean it is only for Lager. Heineken buy "Lager Malt" from MCI malsters in Cork and brew Heineken Lager :ill: and Murphy's Stout with it :o . Go for it :party:

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 17:06
by robwalker
I reckon with some crystal and a biscuity malt like Amber you'd get away with it fine.

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 18:22
by HTH1975

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 18:32
by HTH1975

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 18:43
by robwalker
Looks great. I'd combine the two crystals for more character personally.

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 18:51
by HTH1975

Re: Can I use lager malt for yorkshire bitter?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 19:46
by robwalker
I'd say just go with what feels right.