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Guinnessish

Postby Inneed » Tue Feb 03, 2015 14:50

A wonderful Guinness clone. If you could have a pint of extra cold Guinness from a trendy bar in a london suburb (basically black water) and compare that to a pint of Guinness from Dublin, then add the difference in taste on again and you end up with this stunning stout. I've done 12 AGs so far. This is in my top 2. Knew I was on the right track when the brewery was smelling of Dublin...

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Guinnessish Stout
Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L):23.0
Total Grain (kg):5.500
Total Hops (g):43.00
Original Gravity (OG):1.050 (°P): 12.4
Final Gravity (FG):1.013 (°P): 3.3
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.91 %
Colour (SRM): 41.8
(EBC): 82.3 Bitterness (IBU):50.9
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 90

Grain Bill
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4.000 kg Maris Otter Malt (72.73%)
0.750 kg Roasted Barley (13.64%)
0.550 kg Flaked Barley (10%)
0.200 kg Wheat Malt (3.64%)

Hop Bill
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28.0 g Target Pellet (12% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (1.2 g/L)
15.0 g Target Pellet (12% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)

Single step Infusion at 66°C for 90 Minutes.
Fermented at 20°C with Wyeast 1084 - Irish Ale
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby supersteve » Tue Feb 03, 2015 14:52

Looks stunning, how long did you leave it to condition?
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Inneed » Tue Feb 03, 2015 14:57

As pictured, that's 2 weeks warm and 4 weeks cool (about 13 degrees), so 6 in total. It's getting better and better whilst also being superb to drink now.
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Inneed » Tue Feb 03, 2015 15:02

If there is a moderator in the house, please could you move this to the right sub forum place (British Style Ales). Sorry... :oops:
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Kyle_T » Tue Feb 03, 2015 15:12

Looks good mate, is it anything like Guinness Original?

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby graysalchemy » Tue Feb 03, 2015 15:12

Moved for you.

Nice looking pint :thumb:

Bit brave using target as an aroma hop though :D :D

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Inneed » Tue Feb 03, 2015 15:21

Many thanks graysalchemy.

It is very Guinness-like, maybe more of a Guinness extra stout type as its a bit more intense in flavour (from what I recall at least). I have not had a proper pint of Guinness in a long time, but my first taste of this took me straight back to Dublin.

Regarding Target for aroma, well, apparently that's what Guinness use, so I was going on that. Interestingly I have even dry hopped with target, as per Graham Wheeler's recipe for Youngs Special. That one turned out pretty good too. :drink: cheers!
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby graysalchemy » Tue Feb 03, 2015 16:01

You are correct that is what they use probably because it is the cheapest hop on the market.

I must say I do miss those pints of guinness of old when it was really quite bitter and thick unlike this modern nitro shite we have now.

I remeber the pub I worked in it was pumped out using a march may pump, obviously there must have been some gas going back into the keg but it was a remarkable pint.

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Inneed » Tue Feb 03, 2015 16:20

If you were nearer, I'd pop a bottle over. You'd like this. Thick, malty, bitter, cold coffee-esk Guinness :D... I'm starting to get thirsty.
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby graysalchemy » Tue Feb 03, 2015 17:11

In the late 80's I used to drink Dublin Guinness in the Irish Centre in Liverpool. But it was rare occasions as you had to be Irish to get membership or be with someone who was to sign you in. :evil: :evil:

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby mark1964 » Tue Feb 03, 2015 17:13

I definitely think target is the best hop for Guinness clones

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Kyle_T » Tue Feb 03, 2015 18:05

The next stout I do I'm gonna have a bash with Admiral.

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Beer Brewed (2016): 90.0 Gallons
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby LeeH » Tue Feb 03, 2015 22:08

Looks great!

On a side note, why do people think that Guinness is better in Ireland. Granted you're more likely to get a good fresh pint but I've had just as good pints of the stuff here.

The London brewery (if that made a difference?) closed many years ago.

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby supersteve » Tue Feb 03, 2015 22:12

I put to down to the barrel turnaround in dublin.. They'll have upwards of 4 taps of guinness on in the main pubs. It's not sat around in a half empty keg for a week or more.
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby graysalchemy » Tue Feb 03, 2015 22:23

Guinness isn't what it used to be it is now most definately Guinnless made for the masses, as a result the ibu's have dropped and the bitterness from the roasted malts is depleated, its also a lot thinner as well IMHO. I would be hard pushed to drink it now.

The best Commercial stout i have ever had is a pint of Robinsons Black Beauty served via hand pump, beats nitrogen any day.

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Inneed » Tue Feb 03, 2015 22:28

I just remember back in about 2000, having a pint in Dublin and being shocked by how coffee like it was compared to the local Irish pub in Guildford. It just seemed to taste of much more. I guess it comes down to freshness, how well it is kept and serving temperature. That and how many rats you get in a batch of course :D
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby LeeH » Tue Feb 03, 2015 22:29

Never had the pleasure of a hand pull stout unfortunately.

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby graysalchemy » Wed Feb 04, 2015 01:00

There are a few about I think.

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Joe1002 » Wed Feb 04, 2015 01:06

Stout on a hand pull is amazing, but I have only had my own stouts on the beer engine so I would say that :lol:

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Re: Guinnessish

Postby martindisorder » Wed Feb 04, 2015 07:32

Im quite a fan of titanic stout on hand pull that is the best stout i have ever drunk.

Im quite tempted to make a Guinness clone for my beer engine might even get my dad excited by Somthing i brew.
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby pittsy » Wed Feb 04, 2015 08:18

I'm not a massive Guinness fan myself however your picture of a it looks very tempting and tasty , well done by the looks of it .
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby supersteve » Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:02

There are so many stouts on hand pull in Nottingham.. Navigation Brewery, Blue Monkey Brewery, Castle rock brewery.. I couldn't understand why you guys think they are so scarce. Maybe it's our water.
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Re: Guinnessish

Postby Inneed » Sat Feb 07, 2015 21:20

Kyle, thought I'd verify my statement by buying some Guinness today (albeit in can form - all I could get here in France). No this brew is nothing like that Guinness. Guinness of old perhaps, but the modern stuff as per gray's comment, is 'orribe. Thin, sweet and 'orrible. No competition at all with a DIY.
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