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Re: Pale Stout

Postby Joe1002 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:18

Rolfster wrote:Have you seen this for oak? ... f=7&t=5774
There must be somewhere to buy some tasty oak....

The Malt Miller when they are in stock :lol:

A fine beer may be judged with only one sip, but it's better to be thoroughly sure.
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Re: Pale Stout

Postby b2b » Wed Jan 14, 2015 22:06

graysalchemy wrote:And use a larger yeast you could also call it an Imperial Pale Black American Indian pale lager........

The possibilites for reinventing the wheel are endless no doubt.

I love the creative inventive streak that's coming out here - this is how new ideas turn into new realities...

Bit disappointed that no-one's admitted to putting log shavings from the log shed into beer though. Might be worth a gallon experimental... but definitely not the whole batch. They work great on the BBQ - but the flavour added is closer to bonfire than smokey bacon.
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Re: Pale Stout

Postby b2b » Sun Apr 05, 2015 21:26

Well, whatever we call it, this turned into a cracking drink.

I gave a load as a birthday present for my mate Steve's 55th, all feedback was extremely positive and the "leftovers" in my brew fridge seemed to go down a treat.

Thought I'd share the label with you, which I quite liked...


Well, the recipe... was it REALLY a Stout, I hear you ask?

Before we look at the gory contents, the result was a full bodied, 5.5% ale, no hop kick but a gentle bitterness that nearly balanced out the residual sugar content. Accompanied by a mild fruitiness, probably from the choice of late hops.

Enough enough of that flowery language, what was the recipe?... here we go, I've brewed it again this weekend, so any comments will be incorporated into take 3 of this...

Note this was for 55 litres...

2015A01 Steve's Pale Stout
Sweet Stout

Recipe Specs
Batch Size (L): 55.0
Total Grain (kg): 14.328
Total Hops (g): 210.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.060 (°P): 14.7
Final Gravity (FG): 1.018 (°P): 4.6
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.50 %
Colour (SRM): 7.8 (EBC): 15.4
Bitterness (IBU): 31.3 (Average)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 73
Boil Time (Minutes): 90

Grain Bill
8.095 kg Maris Otter Malt (Crisp) (56.5%)
3.009 kg Vienna malt (21%)
1.433 kg Wheat Malt (10%)
1.003 kg Munich malt (7%)
0.645 kg Amber Malt (4.5%)
0.143 kg Flaked Barley (1%)

Hop Bill
30.0 g Nugget Leaf (12.9% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (First Wort) (0.5 g/L)
20.0 g Amarillo Leaf (9.4% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Bramling Cross Leaf (5.3% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Galaxy Leaf (13.9% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Amarillo Leaf (9.4% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Bramling Cross Leaf (5.3% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Galaxy Leaf (13.9% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Amarillo Leaf (9.4% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Bramling Cross Leaf (5.3% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Galaxy Leaf (13.9% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)

Misc Bill

Single step Infusion at 71°C for 90 Minutes.
Fermented at 20°C with WLP002 - English Ale

Recipe Generated with BrewMate

- Got much better efficiency than 73% - ended up with 4gals of 4% extra by continuing to sparge. This treated as a parti-gyle (ie boiled in different container with additional hops).
- Note the high mash temp - this to try to get the long chain sugars to dominate
- Used yeast from ABC brewery in Aylesbury, which for recipe purposes I liken to WPL002
- Take 2 has more Munich, less Vienna, due to stocks in the malt cupboard.
- Usual ramp up in FV temp - 18C to start, upto 22C for the last couple of days.

End result: This was one of my best brews so far (about 50 since I restarted 18 months ago) - the recipe has gone straight into favourites, would commend it to all.

Let me know if you try it, or a close variation, and your thoughts.

(It does need a low attenuation yeast - max 70%.)
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Re: Pale Stout

Postby Bad 'Ed » Mon Apr 06, 2015 06:04

That is an interesting recipe, I didn't expect that many hops in it. I'm finding it hard to decide what that would taste of.

Are you going to the festival? If so I'd be interested in some kind of bottle swap to find out.

Never enough time....
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Re: Pale Stout

Postby b2b » Mon Apr 06, 2015 21:05

Ping me in a month or so, when it's racked and cleared. Happy to share a bottle, or swap with one of yours that's impressed you. I've upped the hops a little, in the new batch, if I remember right, as the balance was just a little on the sweet side.

No plans for festival, getting permission to brew is hard enough. Got a burping FV in the house, as all the heaters are busy in the garage, and I'm getting evil eyes for that!
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