" OLD BERNARD"

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby sh3pp13 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:13

sounds really nice john cant wait for mark to make this thankyou for sharing this recipe with us :D :thumb:

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby mark1964 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:19

It does sound extremely tasty

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby HoppyG » Sat Jan 10, 2015 16:45

Getting this on next Saturday. Looking forward to it as it'll be my first none commercial beer that I've brewed :thumb:

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Rolfster » Sat Jan 10, 2015 16:53

This looks like a popular beer. Time to ask Rob to put it together as a kit?
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Pjam » Sat Jan 10, 2015 17:42

Have you tried it Rolfster? Tis very nice.

Rolfster wrote:This looks like a popular beer. Time to ask Rob to put it together as a kit?


BB recipe calls for 2 different hops ......I wonder if that would make it tricky for the MM ?
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby mark1964 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 18:29

why would it make it tricky? don't get that

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Pjam » Sat Jan 10, 2015 19:15

mark1964 wrote:why would it make it tricky? don't get that


Well errrr the Galaxy Delight for example has one standard 100g bag of Galaxy hops ........... how do you package 70g of one type and 40g of another? Will Rob have to open a bag of Challenger, remove 30g etc etc ....... see my point?
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby mark1964 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 19:46

I suppose they can pack whatever amount needed don't suppose they're limited to 100g packs

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Rolfster » Sat Jan 10, 2015 19:57

Pjam wrote:Have you tried it Rolfster? Tis very nice.

Rolfster wrote:This looks like a popular beer. Time to ask Rob to put it together as a kit?


BB recipe calls for 2 different hops ......I wonder if that would make it tricky for the MM ?


Errr no I haven't tried it yet. Its at the top of the list though! And hence my suggestion!
I had not thought about the hops, only the malt.
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby HoppyG » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:54

BB, I was wondering if the following was used for bottling purposes or thrown in to the fermenter?

0.20 kg Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (1.0 SRM) Sugar 3.46 %

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Rwilts » Sat Jan 17, 2015 13:24

mark1964 wrote:I suppose they can pack whatever amount needed don't suppose they're limited to 100g packs

The SNPA clone rob does has two different hops :thumb:

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby HoppyG » Sat Jan 17, 2015 18:02

All done and dusted before its got dark. Not sure I like brewing in the winter :)

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby f00b4r » Wed Feb 18, 2015 13:18

The 23L volume, is it the volume into the fermentor, bottles/keg or volume at the end of the boil (and if so when the wort is still hot or cooled)?
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Pjam » Wed Feb 18, 2015 13:36

f00b4r wrote:The 23L volume, is it the volume into the fermentor, bottles/keg or volume at the end of the boil (and if so when the wort is still hot or cooled)?


At the end of the boil. I'm not sure that volume will change if hot or cold.
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Postby f00b4r » Wed Feb 18, 2015 15:59

Pjam wrote:
f00b4r wrote:The 23L volume, is it the volume into the fermentor, bottles/keg or volume at the end of the boil (and if so when the wort is still hot or cooled)?


At the end of the boil. I'm not sure that volume will change if hot or cold.


It changes by more than you might think, from flame out to cooling to pitching yeast a 23L volume would reduce to around 22L, kettle loss then knocks quite a bit more off so that 23L figure and what it really refers to suddenly makes quite a difference to the recipe.

EDIT: this shows you the difference between hot and cooled wort:

Volume at flameout - Volume ambient wort (BIABInfo term for when cooled)

19L - 18.27L
23L - 22.11L
25L - 24.04L
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Rolfster » Thu Feb 19, 2015 08:53

Cool at the end of the boil I think. Brew mate takes this change into account.
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Pjam » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:35

Rolfster wrote:Cool at the end of the boil I think. Brew mate takes this change into account.


Yes, I think is does. Evaporation etc, all taken into account. Only thing I'm not sure about are loses from hops absorption.

From experience I know, with my set-up, if I start with 30 litres in the boiler I end up with 23 litres in the fermenter on average.
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby ferg » Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:13

Looks like a nice beer....

One question though. What ABV should it finish at? The ABV figure originally given (4.7%) seems way too low given the grain quantities.

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby f00b4r » Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:58

I think you are probably right but have PM'ed Barnsley Brewer to see if he can give a definitive answer in the thread.
I will be using BIABacus, which is supposed to calculate all these loses pretty accurately, so it will be interesting to see what the real volume in fermentor and then packaging is.
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Pjam » Fri Feb 20, 2015 13:32

ferg wrote: The ABV figure originally given (4.7%) seems way too low given the grain quantities.


Yes, I normally expect to get over 5% for 5Kg of grain ..... depends on your methods, yeast etc.
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby f00b4r » Sun Mar 01, 2015 14:02

Okay I have some answers from the man himself that should clarify things:

1> The 23L actually refers to volume in fermentor

2> It was scaled down from what would usually be 59L into the fermentor,working on 85% efficiency, so John gave me the original recipe to check against for errors (I will be using BIABacus so for me this is all auto generated and scaled, based upon equipment and desired volume in fermentor, but it may be useful for others):

"OLD BERNARD"
Amount Item Type % or IBU
11.50 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (2.5 SRM) Grain 86.08 %
0.70 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 80L (80.0 SRM) Grain 5.24 %
0.50 kg Wheat, Torrified (1.7 SRM) Grain 3.74 %
0.10 kg Chocolate Malt (450.0 SRM) Grain 0.75 %
0.06 kg Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 0.45 %
180.00 gm Challenger [8.16 %] (60 min) Hops 52.7 IBU
100.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [6.50 %] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep) Hops -
0.50 kg Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (1.0 SRM) Sugar 3.74 %
3 Pkgs Nottingham (Danstar #-) Yeast-Ale


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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby HoppyG » Sat Jun 13, 2015 18:41

I've got to say that this is a cracking beer now 5 months on. At first it was a bit to tangy especially the aftertaste but now it's BOOM! :D

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby BarnsleyBrewer » Fri Sep 18, 2015 14:09

Old thread revival time..... (Sorry if I didn't reply to any questions, I need to set reply notification emails up)

Did anyone get around to brewing this using my recipe?? :drink:

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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby f00b4r » Fri Sep 18, 2015 14:36

I have this in a no chill cube at the moment, it will get fermented next weekend. Mine ended up being a lot higher in starting gravity though as I wasn't prepared for how insanely efficient the Grainfather would be. Looking forward to trying it out though
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Re: " OLD BERNARD"

Postby Dennis King » Fri Sep 18, 2015 17:07

BarnsleyBrewer wrote:
Did anyone get around to brewing this using my recipe?? :drink:


Still on my list to do John, keep forgetting to buy the wheat, not after royalties are you, :hmm:
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