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Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby brugen » Thu Jun 02, 2016 19:55

In his Brewing Beers Like Those You Buy (1995) Dave Line has a recipe for Gales Prize Old Ale.

The recipe is for 10l but I've put it into Beersmith and upped it to 19l. The grain bill of Pale, Crystal, Black and Molasses is fine and gives me an OG 1.095 compared to Dave's 1.100.

He also recommends 125g Goldings for 10l at the start of the boil. I've used EKG at 200g for the 19l.

Beersmith gives me an IBU of 125 which is way off the scale for an English Barley Wine which they give as 35-70 IBUs. Dave did not give an IBU target for his recipe.

I can think of three possible reasons for this
- Hops had lower IBUs in Daves day.
- Understanding of IBU measurement (and systems) at extremes has changed since Dave's day
- Once you get to a high IBU level the taste threshold broadens so it is hard to detect the difference between 75 and 125 IBUs.

I'm looking for some advice - should I go ahead with 200g EKG or downdial it to say 70 IBUs.

Thanks

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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby INDIAPALEALE » Fri Jun 03, 2016 08:28

[quote][ Hops had lower IBUs in Daves day.quote]

Dave died in 1979 and that long ago hops were usually sold in clear plastic bags that had been stored in less than ideal conditions and no information with regard to AA or year of harvest. I suggest that you bitter to the accepted level for the style.
There are some reasonable recipes in this book just ignore the bits about adding saccharine to sweeten and bitter to present day levels. Also his efficiency seems a bit optimistic. Had he livid a full life span I am sure he would have been a leading light in brewing today. This book was ground breaking in its day.!

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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby Pakman » Sat Jun 04, 2016 21:01

Having spent many years drinking Gales P.O.A from corked bottles as a teeneger I would bitter at about 50 IBU if I were you. Not one I've tried making myself yet but I haven't got his book.
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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby Goulders » Sat Jun 04, 2016 22:11

If you get in touch with Malcolm Irving of Irving's brewery in Portsmouth (ex Gales brewer), he may give you some pointers
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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby Mr Squiffy » Sun Jun 05, 2016 08:44

Watch your efficiency in Beersmith, I recently brewed a big beer (still fermenting actually) and my OG was 1.072, 20 points down on estimated. Although I was also 3L over on volume. When I posted a question on here, feedback included a comment that efficiencies are lower with big beers and Beersmith doesn't account for this.

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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby serum » Sun Jun 05, 2016 15:58

I've always been curious about this beer. Id love to have a go at making it at some point but I'll leave it until winter I reckon.

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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby brugen » Sun Jun 05, 2016 21:47

Thanks for all of your help. I'll aim for 50 IBUs.

I usually get 80% efficiency in Beersmith. I'll down dial it to 75% for this.

I note the original was matured in wood and was a mixture of old and young beers so I doubt if I'll get anywhere near the original but hopefully it will be worth the wait.
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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby rui » Tue Jun 07, 2016 00:20

can you give me the amounts from the malt, please?

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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby brugen » Tue Jun 07, 2016 09:21

rui wrote:can you give me the amounts from the malt, please?


For a 10l batch he gives

3250g Pale
500g Crystal
30g Black
125g Molasses

Mash at 66C for 90 mins

He doesn't give a boil time but suggests you should start off with 16l after sparge and boil down to 10l

Fermentation will take "months". Transfer to secondary for 6 months then bottle. Store for 18 months before trying.
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Re: Dave Line's Gales Prize Old Ale

Postby Kyle_T » Tue Jun 07, 2016 14:27

I've been looking for an old ale to have a bash at, might give this one a go. I doubt the fermentation will take "months" but the conditioning period certainly will.

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