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Beer with no hops

Postby Steviebobs1983 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 21:53

I'd be interested to see what people think of this...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... pense-hops

It's a bit lacking on the details i.e. when/where can you get hold of this yeast, but an interesting concept nonetheless.

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Re: Beer with no hops

Postby Dennis King » Wed Mar 21, 2018 22:31

Interesting, probably aiming at the hop monster yank brewery's.
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Re: Beer with no hops

Postby bobsbeer » Thu Mar 22, 2018 00:49

More about saving money than saving water in my view, but hops are there for a reason. They add more than flavour, which is why they are there in the first place, bitterness, and as a preservative. Can't see a yeast strain replicating that somehow.
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Re: Beer with no hops

Postby Rolfster » Thu Mar 22, 2018 17:15

It sounds interesting. ... my question would be why add herb dna instead of hop dna?
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Re: Beer with no hops

Postby Steviebobs1983 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 19:44

Rolfster wrote:It sounds interesting. ... my question would be why add herb dna instead of hop dna?
Yeah i thought that. Maybe the gene splicing wizardry tasted rank with hop DNA.

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Re: Beer with no hops

Postby HTH1975 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 20:34

Think they’re missing the point of hops. Also, they’re important in the brewing process - helps with a good boil, also as a filter when casting to FV.

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Re: Beer with no hops

Postby Rolfster » Thu Mar 22, 2018 20:37

HTH1975 wrote:Think they’re missing the point of hops. Also, they’re important in the brewing process - helps with a good boil, also as a filter when casting to FV.


I kinda got the impression that it was more for reduced levels of hops, in the late additions and dry hopping rather than no hops at all.... but that might be projecting my own ideas there!
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Re: Beer with no hops

Postby HTH1975 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 21:04

Rolfster wrote:
HTH1975 wrote:Think they’re missing the point of hops. Also, they’re important in the brewing process - helps with a good boil, also as a filter when casting to FV.


I kinda got the impression that it was more for reduced levels of hops, in the late additions and dry hopping rather than no hops at all.... but that might be projecting my own ideas there!


I can’t speak for any other breweries, but we typically use more than ten times as much hops at the end of the boil. That helps set a filter bed for casting, plus a massive amount of hop flavour/aroma.

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Re: Beer with no hops

Postby Brewzee » Thu Apr 26, 2018 07:05

I think they used herb genes because they had them on the shelf it's not so easy to ID the DNA sequence of a feature of an organism and at end of the day here it's about the combination of aroma from many different chemicals created via different genes, it's not just geraniums that produce geraniol. I created a transgenic plant when I was at Wye it was more about combining already created genes and mechanisms so I think thats what this story is about. If it's true that cloud water are using 25g hops per litre then that's a big inviromental impact and this type of thing should help but it still feels a bit odd. Like genetically engineering a chicken to taste of sage and onion. No doubt camra will proclaim in unholy but it's German purity law compliant.
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