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Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby crispylettuce » Wed May 24, 2017 08:12

Has anyone tried Brulosophy’s quick lager method? If so, how did it go?

I get the impression that Brulosophy’s ExBEERiments are treated not too seriously by a few member here – but it’s an interesting site to read.

Yes, most of the ExBEERiments I have read seem to always conclude “couldn’t tell any difference” and the pseudo-statistical analysis/DOE tries to give it more weight than it probably deserves, but its good to see people playing around with convention and most importantly having fun!


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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby rats_eyes » Wed May 24, 2017 08:41

I've tried this recently. The beer isn't packaged yet, but so far it tastes good. Once i have an empty keg to fill up with this, i'll let you know how it is

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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby MarkF » Fri May 26, 2017 20:51

Watching with interest, i have read about it too and my next brew will be a lager using a lager yeast rather than the yeast with the kit, at £4.50 though I really need to look at harvesting yeast.
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby aamcle » Sat May 27, 2017 18:46

If your talking about Tasty's fast fermentation procedure, start low and ramp up, then it works. Lot's of details on homebrewtalk,com if you want more details.

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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby Aleman » Sat May 27, 2017 23:05

Actually it works well, and I was using it long before it was done as exBEERiment on brulosphy. . . . I've always been saying you need to pitch huge and ferment low. . . but still if it's on there it must be right


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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby crispylettuce » Sat May 27, 2017 23:30

So how huge is "huge" and how low is "low" for you Aleman!? :)

What would your fermentation profile and conditioning be like?

I'm planning on brewing this with Saflager w34/70.

I have never rehydrated yeast before, but am planning on doing so for the first time tomorrow. I have had a sheltered life so far and have stuck with dry yeast (S-04) for all my brews so far.
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby MarkF » Sun May 28, 2017 12:25

I have picked up some Saflager S-23, never gone outside a kit yeast before, it says on the packet it is for 10-15 litres at room temperature pitch, if I pitch into 23 litres at around 20 degrees for 24 hours will that give it a good start before dropping it to 14 degrees? Or is it a case of just taking longer to ferment?

I am using Coopers Euro Kit with Brew enhancer 3, or is it a case of don't waste this good yeast on that kit?
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby StevieDS » Sun May 28, 2017 16:04

I scored 35 in the Irish NHC competition this year with a beer brewed following his method so it does work.

"The master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried."

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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby rpt » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:37

For the few lagers I've done I've always used Saflager S23. One rehydrated sachet for 23L. I pitch at 20C and lower to 12C after 24 hours. Fermentation has always gone well.
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:15

I've only done three lagers and the best was with dried Saf-23 lager yeast. Used a whole packet in 5L.

The other liquid yeasts didn't attenuate enough and I was left with a slightly sweet lager.

Next time I'd buy two liquid yeast packets and build them both up with starters, or just use 2-3 packets of S-23 (most likely).
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby pittsy » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:51

As Aleman says , lots and lots of yeast is the way forward .Think 3 times the yeast you'd use if it was an ale and ferment low to between 10 to 12c . It won't take ages and won't leave it sweet unless you've mashed it that way or hops etc or not enough yeast .
Generally there are 2 type's of lager , the pilsner type or the Munich type as in the yeast strains . Most are the northern German , European type using the pilsner yeast which is drier a bit harsh and is often hopped well .The Munich yeast is more softer , malt forward and sweeter while being crisp and clean . Like a Munich Helles .

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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby Aleman » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:43

crispylettuce wrote:So how huge is "huge" and how low is "low" for you Aleman!? :)

At least 3 packets in 23 litres, and normally pitch at 9C

crispylettuce wrote:What would your fermentation profile and conditioning be like?

Normally something like 8-10 days at 9C and then 4-6 days at 18C. Condition at 12C for a week or two
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby robwalker » Fri Jun 09, 2017 19:36

Slightly off topic, my cold store at work is 12-13c, is it suitable for lager brewing?
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby pittsy » Fri Jun 09, 2017 21:24

Perfect rob , 12 c is my ideal lager ferment temp . 3 times the yeast and it will be both crisp and clean

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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby robwalker » Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:00

It'll probably peak around 15c I guess, is that ok?
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby pittsy » Sat Jun 10, 2017 17:10

Yes mate 15c in lager is like 20c in ale if you know what I mean

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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby robwalker » Sun Jun 11, 2017 15:55

Gotcha, thanks all, sorry to hijack!
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby Brewzee » Thu Jun 15, 2017 06:19

are people really buying 3 new packets of yeast for each brew then, sounds like a lot of money to me i dont like paying for one packet of 34/70 buying 3 could send me over the edge
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby Aleman » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:23

The advice on Fermentis website suggest using up to 300g per hectalitre if pitching at below 10C, that works out to just over 60g per 23 Litres so three packets! . . . Makes liquid yeasts appear affordable doesn't it? :D.

An alternative is to brew a batch of pale beer the week before using one packet and ferment at say 16-18C, then pitch your lager on the yeast cake, and ferment at 8-9C.
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby robwalker » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:22

Aleman wrote:The advice on Fermentis website suggest using up to 300g per hectalitre if pitching at below 10C, that works out to just over 60g per 23 Litres so three packets! . . . Makes liquid yeasts appear affordable doesn't it? :D.

An alternative is to brew a batch of pale beer the week before using one packet and ferment at say 16-18C, then pitch your lager on the yeast cake, and ferment at 8-9C.


I suppose that would effectively send the ale yeast dormant and let the lager yeast slowly finish the beer? Would lagering reduce the ale esters and would you still get roughly the same flavour profile of a lager?
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby Aleman » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:03

No you use the lager yeast for the first beer, it's a bit warm for it, but in a hoppy pale ale it'll work fine. Then you have a massive starter inthe yeast cake to ferment at more 'acceptable' conditions.
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby robwalker » Thu Jun 15, 2017 13:15

Aah I see, all lager yeast. Interesting stuff
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby Brewzee » Mon Jun 19, 2017 07:19

and another thing..i think 34/70 floculates differently and not in a good way. like the yeast cake in the bottles peels off and floats off in sections. Not a good look. ive done two pale ales subbing 34/70 and both brews dropped bright but yeast would float off in feathery sections if you weren't gentle with them. a good reason to keg and carbonate but i dont like lager enough to buy that kit
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Re: Brulosophy's quick lager

Postby rats_eyes » Mon Sep 04, 2017 21:21

The lager I made using this method came out really well in the end, the whole keg got drained in one session at a BBQ a few weeks ago. My beer used the budvar strain (whitelabs) grown in a BIIIG starter.
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