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All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:18

Hi all,

I'm thinking of trying an all extract SMaSH this weekend. Never done all extract before, so wondering how well these things tend to fare. I'm tempted to steep some carahell and crystal in there too for a bit body/sweetness.

Just a simple 4% pale ale on the fruitier side, maybe 30 IBUs.

Anyone?

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
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Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby robwalker » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:20

Extract/30 Ibu/5g per litre dry Hop with pellets and us-05 is my ideal beer!
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:26

Sounds good Rob.

I don't have any dry yeast, but I reckon Wyeast Scottish Ale should work well for this style - it will ferment down to 12C and is nice and clean.

Got a load of Brambling Cross to use up, or maybe First Gold, hmmm.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
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Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby sandimas » Wed Apr 12, 2017 17:30

Here's one I did recently, it's an attempt at a beer local to me and uses Bramling Cross - Wye Valley Butty Bach.

I aimed for 13L as it's a nice round amount of extract (1.5kg) so you don't end up with any left in an opened packet. I bunged a bit of MO in too as I needed to mash the wheat malt. You could just leave the MO and Wheat malt out and keep it simple.

It came out real nice, might have overdone the BC a tad so you could leave out the 15min addition. Anyway, here's the recipe I made up if you want to give it a go or modify it.


Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 13.0
Original Gravity (OG): 1.048 (°P): 11.9
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (°P): 3.1
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.72 %
Colour (SRM): 7.3 (EBC): 14.4
Bitterness (IBU): 34.4 (Average)

Grain Bill
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1.500 kg Dry Malt Extract - Light (82.87%)
0.100 kg Maris Otter Malt (5.52%)
0.080 kg Carahell (4.42%)
0.080 kg Wheat Malt (4.42%)
0.050 kg Crystal 60 standard (2.76%)

Hop Bill
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19.0 g Fuggles Leaf (5.7% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (1.5 g/L)
10.0 g Styrian Golding Leaf (4.4% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.8 g/L)
10.0 g Bramling Cross Leaf (5.1% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.8 g/L)
10.0 g Bramling Cross Leaf (5.1% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma) (0.8 g/L)
10.0 g Styrian Golding Leaf (4.4% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Aroma) (0.8 g/L)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 19:50

Looks good Sandimas, I was thinking of a mini-mash but the real point of this exercise is to see what is possible only using DME and a single hop.

Reason for this is we are expecting baby within the next two weeks and regular (full) days doing all grain might become a thing of the past.

Also, I'm intrigued to see how good a beer can be using DME alone. This could potentially be a 2-3 hour brew day (I could even do this after getting in from work at a push).

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2017: 105L brewed
Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby Duxuk » Wed Apr 12, 2017 20:00

I seem to recall that an extract brew took around 2hours 30mins. Steeping a bit of crystal is a good idea to add sweetness. It adds no time to your brewing process, of course.
Hope all goes well with the new arrival. There are compensations in babies to offset a lack of brewing time. Mine is almost old enough to help me drink it now.

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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby Redwire » Wed Apr 12, 2017 20:23

I've done an all extract Amarillo pale ale, just DME and hops. It was very nice and, as you say, a very easy brew day.
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 20:50

Duxuk wrote:I seem to recall that an extract brew took around 2hours 30mins. Steeping a bit of crystal is a good idea to add sweetness. It adds no time to your brewing process, of course.
Hope all goes well with the new arrival. There are compensations in babies to offset a lack of brewing time. Mine is almost old enough to help me drink it now.


I have an eight-year old step-daughter that loves to help bottle beer. If only I can get her to do the washing up too :D

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Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 20:54

Redwire wrote:I've done an all extract Amarillo pale ale, just DME and hops. It was very nice and, as you say, a very easy brew day.


Amarillo is one of my faves, alas I've ran out of it and I have loads of other hops to use up.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed
Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby sandimas » Thu Apr 13, 2017 08:06

HTH1975 wrote:Looks good Sandimas, I was thinking of a mini-mash but the real point of this exercise is to see what is possible only using DME and a single hop. Reason for this is we are expecting baby within the next two weeks and regular (full) days doing all grain might become a thing of the past.


Yeah, I know what you mean, I also have a young family hence the reason I still do a lot of extract even though I'm an AG brewer. The answer to your question is "yes you can still brew decent beer", I've done loads of extract and quality-wise it's not far off AG but of course you loose the flexibility if you can't mash an infinite number of grains.

You can just leave the mashed grains out of my recipe and steep the remaining ones, and you'll still have a good beer. It's not an exact science, if you don't have Carahell just use a little more crystal steeped in a small pan of water around 70C for 30mins.

Grain Bill
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1.500 kg Dry Malt Extract - Light (82.87%)
0.080 kg Carahell (4.42%)
0.050 kg Crystal 60 standard (2.76%)

Alternatively, BrewUK do a range of made-up Extract recipe packs: this is a more expensive way to do it but will give you an idea of what you can achieve. The St Austell Proper Job clone is spot-on if left to condition for 5-6 weeks.
https://www.brewuk.co.uk/beerkits/craft ... tract.html
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:30

As it happens, I do have some carahell - it's just a light crystal anyway (right?), about 10-15L. I tend to use it in conjunction with crystal 60L.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed
Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby Partial_to_Mash » Fri Apr 14, 2017 03:58

I did an experiment a few months ago. I used a cheap one can kit, not DME, but i split the batch four ways with different hops. Two batches i added caramalt too, steeped and boiled with the hops for about 15 mins. These two batches were noticeably better malt wise than the other two, so i feel that a grain steep is well worthwhile. They were less kit like, better malt flavour and aroma.
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 09:52

Would be interesting to compare an AG SMaSH to an extract one.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed
Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby sandimas » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:59

HTH1975 wrote:Would be interesting to compare an AG SMaSH to an extract one.


It's hard to do a like-for-like comparison as the quality of the extract can vary. I'm sure the purists will say AG is better, and often it is, but I've had some average AG brews and amazing extract brews, and vice versa. I'm really going off liquid malt extract as I've now made a few brews with the "twang" present, although in the past fresh tins of Coopers LME have produced great beers. Think I prefer the dried stuff (spraymalt) these days.
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 16:06

sandimas wrote:
HTH1975 wrote:Would be interesting to compare an AG SMaSH to an extract one.


It's hard to do a like-for-like comparison as the quality of the extract can vary. I'm sure the purists will say AG is better, and often it is, but I've had some average AG brews and amazing extract brews, and vice versa. I'm really going off liquid malt extract as I've now made a few brews with the "twang" present, although in the past fresh tins of Coopers LME have produced great beers. Think I prefer the dried stuff (spraymalt) these days.


My first brew was a kit with LME and it certainly had a twang.

I did a DME honey beer with steeped grains last year and that was a pretty respectable beer. Because of the extra grains and honey it was tough to tell how the extract stood up on its own.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed
Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 17:57

Ok, so I'm not quite going for a SMaSH, but it's gonna have a load of extract and that was the main thrust of this exercise for me. Here's what I've got so far...

16L to FV
1.046 OG
1.012 FG
4.5% ABV

1.8kg light DME
250g Vienna
125g Carahell
125g Rye

First Gold all the way through...
* 15g FWH
* 20g at start (30 min boil)
* 15g at 15 min
* 15g at 80C (steep for 60 mins)

Dry hop:
* 25g First Gold after 5 days, leave for 5-7 days in FV

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed
Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby Duxuk » Fri Apr 14, 2017 21:17

If time is at a premium then the way to go might be by overnight mashing. My latest brew, my first saison, took me half an hour to heat the water and get mash on in the evening. The next morning I spent 3 and a quarter hours to do everything else. It may be a way to still do AG even when time is tight. I did a mere 50 minute boil since I thought clarity was unimportant.

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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 22:55

It's not really the mash itself that particularly takes a long time with my AG brewday, it's all the cleaning before and after.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed
Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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Re: All extract SMaSH, anyone?

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 23:39

HTH1975 wrote:Ok, so I'm not quite going for a SMaSH, but it's gonna have a load of extract and that was the main thrust of this exercise for me. Here's what I've got so far...

16L to FV
1.046 OG
1.012 FG
4.5% ABV

1.8kg light DME
250g Vienna
125g Carahell
125g Rye

First Gold all the way through...
* 15g FWH
* 20g at start (30 min boil)
* 15g at 15 min
* 15g at 80C (steep for 60 mins)

Dry hop:
* 25g First Gold after 5 days, leave for 5-7 days in FV


This one turned out well today and it's chugging away nicely now. A few changes from the recipe above, but nothing too major.

Two brews in two weeks - the gloves are off now, ha ha.

2016: 330L brewed (72 gallons, over 8 firkins)
2017: 105L brewed
Drinking: store-bought beer as my bar is dry
Conditioning: choc-coffee oatmeal wheat stout, various ciders, cherry 'brett' brown ale, imperial Pilsner.
Fermenting: Bock (6.5%), IPA (5.5%), Pale Ale (4.5)
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