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Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Wed Mar 15, 2017 09:35

Hi all

I'm making an earl grey ipa type thing on Friday.
I haven't looked to see what hops I've got, but I know I've got some American hops knocking about.

I think having done a bit if research 30 teabags should be about right for 20 liters. Anyone have any experience of this?
I'm wondering if a cold steep and then boiling or if I just add the tea bags at the end of the boil.

Any thought would be great!
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby graysalchemy » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:00

What hops are you planning on using? You need something to compliment the burgamot oil in the tea, that's the predominant flavour coming out of earl grey. Personally I dont think a heavy hit of c hops is going to do the job they will just take over.

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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:12

graysalchemy wrote:What hops are you planning on using? You need something to compliment the burgamot oil in the tea, that's the predominant flavour coming out of earl grey. Personally I dont think a heavy hit of c hops is going to do the job they will just take over.


Yes I know.
As I've said above I'm not sure what hops I've got.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:51

So I've seen a post on a different forum that suggests dry hopping..... and there is a post from one of the yeasty boys who says 4g per liter of best quality earl grey is where it's at.

I think I'm going to do a restrained cold steep onto the fv then add amother portion of earl grey most of the way through fermentation.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby jkp » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:57

one thing to be mindful of is the bitterness you'll get from the tea. I've had an Earl Grey IPA that was overly bitter for this reason.

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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:15

jkp wrote:one thing to be mindful of is the bitterness you'll get from the tea. I've had an Earl Grey IPA that was overly bitter for this reason.


That's why I was wondering if a cold steep would be a good idea :thumb:

I've been doing a bit more research. Looks like marble brewery do a couple of different dry hopping with earl grey along with citra. This seems to be to prevent over bittering!
I'm looking at doing 2 dry hops with about 33g of earl grey in each.... and a cold steep addition before fermentation has kicked off in the same region......maybe.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:48

Never knowingly had a tea-hopped IPA... Might try that new Siren one to see what its like.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Wed Mar 15, 2017 13:08

The marble brewery earl grey ipa is great. One if the nicest beers I've had!
I've been looking at the yeasty boys website and they do a similar one. Looks like my recipe isn't too far off theirs!
I need to check what I've got in stock but I'll be putting it on the recipe section for further critical reading.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 13:20

Sounds like a strange idea putting loads of tannins in your beer - we go to great lengths to ensure we don't get that taste in our beers under normal circumstances.

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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby graysalchemy » Wed Mar 15, 2017 13:27

Yes my concern was not to kill the burgamot with to much other citrus hops, though with burgamot coming from an orange I suppose citrus would be appropriate. You could always use this

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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Wed Mar 15, 2017 14:18

graysalchemy wrote:Yes my concern was not to kill the burgamot with to much other citrus hops, though with burgamot coming from an orange I suppose citrus would be appropriate. You could always use this


I did think about getting some of that but there were a couple of threads on various forums who tried using essence /oil and said next time they would use tea instead.

HTH1975 wrote:Sounds like a strange idea putting loads of tannins in your beer - we go to great lengths to ensure we don't get that taste in our beers under normal circumstances.


Have you tried one? The one I had was really lovely.
I was asking the question to find out what other people have done. I've done a bit if research today and by cold steeping and dry hopping I'm not going to be extracting so much tannin as boiling it....Hopefully!
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby HTH1975 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 00:02

I've not tried an earl grey IPA, yet - definitely interested in trying one. Just saying that the idea of it seems weird. Curious to see how the tea tannins translate in the overall mix.

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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Brewzee » Thu Mar 16, 2017 07:12

I used 15 gs of lemon grass dry hopped for 4 days in my last pale ale, 20 ltrs. was very nice, might double amount next time and see how it is. Ive thought of tea, was gonna do a green jasmin but in end was worried about tannin as others have said.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:04

graysalchemy wrote:What hops are you planning on using? You need something to compliment the burgamot oil in the tea, that's the predominant flavour coming out of earl grey. Personally I dont think a heavy hit of c hops is going to do the job they will just take over.


Looks like I'm going with amerillo and nelson sauvin. Maybe some centennial if I have not got enough. But I'm not going big on those.
I'v done a pint of cold c water with 20g of earl grey. They add bergamot oil to the tea so it smelt very strong. It was steeped for about 9 hours.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby graysalchemy » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:39

So is this being added post boil?

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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby rlemkin » Fri Mar 17, 2017 21:07

A while back I used Earl Grey (dry hopped) in a Belgian Wit and it came out well - http://forum.craftbrewing.org.uk/viewto ... 6&p=122660 . That was almost four teabags a gallon, but I wanted a lot of aroma and there was a heavy dry hop too.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Fri Mar 17, 2017 23:43

graysalchemy wrote:So is this being added post boil?


Yes. And then depending on taste I'm going 'dry hop' with tea as well.
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Re: Cold steep earl grey?

Postby Rolfster » Sun May 28, 2017 07:42

This came out really well. I cold steeped 20g in a pint and added it directly into the fv. Then once fermentation had died down I added 30g of hops (nelson sauvin and falconers flight ) and 36g of tea leaves.
It took a couple of weeks but once it had settled down a little it's been great!
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