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I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Strongarm » Thu Feb 09, 2017 15:54

Got one a couple of months back and was all excited by the ease of it but it drags in so much air and, I think, has killed a couple of beers with oxidation, as they've ended up very dark very quickly after bottling.

Anyone else have that trouble?

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Thu Feb 09, 2017 16:11

The only issues I had were:

The flex tube was tight packaged and it kinked. I've tried the "boiling water, in to cold water" trick with some success but not 100%.

The sediment trap to me seems useless. I have had to remove it and keep a keen eye on where the bottom of it lies so I don't suck up sediment. I posted about this hen I got it and I seemed to be the only one struggling with it, but I binned it and haven't had issues with it since. Is that the bit you are having issues with as well? Does it "gargle" when sucking up?
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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby pittsy » Thu Feb 09, 2017 16:39

I know what he's on about and how to fix , two tips the first is use a bit of ptfe tape on the rubber washer bit , mine is also a tiny bit small ish . Otherwise this is where air is pulled in and that's why you see bubbles . The 2nd tip is pour a bit of water into the top part of the outer tube ( from the open top bit ) If it's still leaking then it'll suck water and not air . The other issues are if the flexi pipe isn't on correct and air gets sucked it that way , It's easy to see as they'll be no bubbles before it and bubbles after it if it's that . Mine was bubble crazy and now so clear you think the beer ain't moving .
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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby HTH1975 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 21:12

I gave up on mine - more trouble than it's worth. Plus it's one more thing to clean, and it drags up too much trub. I've found I get more control using a length of hose and just sucking on the end to start syphoning. Alternatively, pouring some water down the tubing then letting it run out to start things off.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Scott-Westy » Thu Feb 09, 2017 21:28

Always, total pain in the ass.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby pittsy » Fri Feb 10, 2017 08:21

I think it's great , I have the jumbo one which fills a keg in around 3 or 4 minutes , no bubbles and no spit in the beer .
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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Strongarm » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:09

pittsy wrote:I know what he's on about and how to fix , two tips the first is use a bit of ptfe tape on the rubber washer bit , mine is also a tiny bit small ish . Otherwise this is where air is pulled in and that's why you see bubbles . The 2nd tip is pour a bit of water into the top part of the outer tube ( from the open top bit ) If it's still leaking then it'll suck water and not air . The other issues are if the flexi pipe isn't on correct and air gets sucked it that way , It's easy to see as they'll be no bubbles before it and bubbles after it if it's that . Mine was bubble crazy and now so clear you think the beer ain't moving .


That's the one, just drags air in around the seal. Had heard about the water trick but think it's just easier to use my old siphon.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Strongarm » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:10

pittsy wrote:I think it's great , I have the jumbo one which fills a keg in around 3 or 4 minutes , no bubbles and no spit in the beer .


I just use a giant syringe on the normal ones, so don't get spit. Is a couple of minutes work though which si why I got the auto-siphon

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:31

I really like mine aside from not being able to use the sediment trap. I just have to hold it above the sediment bed and I can transfer 20L or so in minutes. I suppose there are always going to be cheap versions about which could be poorly made...
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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Strongarm » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:04

This was £20 I think

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Strongarm » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:05

I wonder if the sediment trap part of the problem though. Because it impedes the flow so of the liquid so much air ends up getting sucked in around the seal. So if the liquid was flowing more freely it wouldn't suck in air.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:59

That's why i took mine off. With it on, it seems to grab loads of air, but without, it is a nice smooth intake and i barely get any trouble from it.
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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Unconnected » Fri Feb 10, 2017 16:19

Strongarm wrote:Got one a couple of months back and was all excited by the ease of it but it drags in so much air and, I think, has killed a couple of beers with oxidation, as they've ended up very dark very quickly after bottling.

Anyone else have that trouble?

I agressively pump Starsan through mine (and some times soak it) before use. This gives me an inch or so of Starsan above the seal. I never get bubbles when syphoning with my auto-syphon.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 18:50

I never got air bubbles with mine either. Still, just a simple piece of pvc-pipe works better for me - less to clean and simpler.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Strongarm » Fri Feb 10, 2017 20:58

xCamel xSlayer wrote:That's why i took mine off. With it on, it seems to grab loads of air, but without, it is a nice smooth intake and i barely get any trouble from it.


Just gave it one last try before relegating it to the bin, this time without the sediment cap thing. It worked like a dream, flew through 15 litres and not a single bubble.

Wish I'd known that before killing a near £40 of ingredients batch.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Ciderhead » Fri Feb 10, 2017 22:24

It's brand specific the cheaper ones drag in air, fermtech a Canadian manufacturer are good and work perfectly.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby CJV8 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 13:58

Never had a problem with mine at all, no bubbles whatsoever. Wouldn't be without it to be honest.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby tim_n » Mon Feb 05, 2018 09:24

I've just used a normal pipe, suck, kink it, dunk it in starsan and waggle it, then dump in the keg. Job done.

When bottling I use a bottling bucket and wand.

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby INDIAPALEALE » Tue Feb 06, 2018 09:26

Have you ever considered using a tap with a length of silicone pipe attached?

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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby Brewzee » Tue Feb 13, 2018 08:34

Glad I never bought one, I just suck on the pipe and pour, no star San no anything. Have not noticed and duff bottles as a result.
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Re: I'm giving up on the auto-siphon

Postby serum » Sun Feb 25, 2018 21:26

If you use gravity then you don't need to suck a normal siphon to get it going. This video shows you how:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6wnVFsGdv0

I now use an SS brew bucket with a little conical bit at the bottom and just go from that to the bottling bucket without a siphon and find I get less oxygen that way. Worth a go if you can spend the extra money.

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