are these elderberries?

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby graysalchemy » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:36

I aged mine for about a month or so in bulk under airlock and then in bottles.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby Maysie » Wed Sep 07, 2016 13:25

For those trying to find GA's Elderflower Port recipe (as I just did).

Its here:
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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Wed Sep 07, 2016 13:54

graysalchemy wrote:I aged mine for about a month or so in bulk under airlock and then in bottles.


Nice one, that's broadly what I'd planned too.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby graysalchemy » Wed Sep 07, 2016 14:06

As long as it has a hefty abv and kept cool it should be fine but keep an eye on it fruit flies are about this time of year. Your don't want beersamic vinegar.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby MPLMPL » Wed Sep 07, 2016 14:57

HTH1975 wrote:Reckon I might just do a small 10L BITB batch of this elderberry stout so I can easily age it out in demijohns for a while before bottling (unless aging in bottles is better).

I've made this twice based on GA's recipe (i.e. based on a stronger version of Aleman's Effin Oatmeal Stout, but not as strong as GA's). Both times I've split the batch and fermented one half with the eldeberries and the other without (you get to drink this one sooner!). Both times it's been a winner. I still have a few bottles left of the 2014 version and it's still magnificent. Have only had one bottle of the Feb 2016 batch that I made, that was a few months ago, tasted good, but will not start to broach this stash until much later in the year. Aging in the bottle works for me.
2014 version documented here: Red Right Hand (Elderberry Stout)
I think I split that batch three ways in the end - fermented a demijohn with blackcurrants and liquorice (Blackcurrant and Spanish Stout). This also turned out well. I note that Brewdog's latest Abstrakt (#21) is going to be a 12% Blackcurrant and liquorice stout - will be interesting to compare.
I don't think I posted Feb 16 version, recipe below for full batch. Boiled the elderberries for 10 mins or so, crushed, strained and then added and fermented with half of batch in primary (~2kg elderberries in ~11 or 12L I think).

Elderberry Stout 2016 (from frozen 2015 elderberry harvest)
Oatmeal Stout

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 23.0
Total Grain (kg): 5.775
Total Hops (g): 100.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.059 (°P): 14.5
Final Gravity (FG): 1.011 (°P): 2.8
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 6.34 %
Colour (SRM): 33.1 (EBC): 65.2
Bitterness (IBU): 58.0 (Average)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 78
Boil Time (Minutes): 90

Grain Bill
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4.000 kg Maris Otter Malt (69.26%)
0.500 kg Flaked Oats (8.66%)
0.285 kg Brown Malt (4.94%)
0.270 kg Crystal 90 (4.68%)
0.270 kg Roasted Barley (4.68%)
0.250 kg Flaked Barley (4.33%)
0.200 kg Chocolate (3.46%)

Hop Bill
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80.0 g Bramling Cross (2014) Leaf (6.1% Alpha) @ 90 Minutes (Boil) (3.5 g/L)
20.0 g Bramling Cross (2014) Leaf (6.1% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.9 g/L)

Misc Bill
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0.5 g Protafloc @ 15 Minutes (Boil)
2.0 kg Elderberries @ 0 Days (Primary)

Single step Infusion at 64°C for 90 Minutes.
Fermented at 20°C with Danstar Nottingham
Recipe Generated with BrewMate

Go for it - it's perfectly drinkable young, but really rewards a bit of patience.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby demig » Wed Sep 07, 2016 23:39

F00b4r has been mentioning elderberries to me regularly recently, having read this thread I now must pay attention to him and double check the elderberries at the allotment to see if they are ready as we are brewing this one! It sounds lovely.
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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby f00b4r » Thu Sep 08, 2016 13:46

I have a Crusader keg all ready to be put aside for the two years I am in Berlin ;)
Luckily Demig is a corny man so it should stay safe from any late night tipsy temptations to sample early :P
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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:10

Thanks for that MPLMPL - I reckon I'll do the same and split it with/without elderberries.

Actually, what about blackberries or black currents? - that could work?

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby graysalchemy » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:55

Damsons would be my other choice though perhaps in a porter

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 13:54

graysalchemy wrote:Damsons would be my other choice though perhaps in a porter


Not sure what they look like - could look them up and see if I can forage some. Got plenty blackberries wild round here, plus redcurrants too (and blackcurrants).

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby MPLMPL » Fri Sep 09, 2016 14:07

HTH1975 wrote:Thanks for that MPLMPL - I reckon I'll do the same and split it with/without elderberries.

Actually, what about blackberries or black currents? - that could work?


Blackberries would work I think - I've tried them in a wit before, but I'm sure they would work well in a stout or porter.
The blackcurrant and liquorice from the 2014 batch worked as well. The blackcurrants were pretty sharp though, took longer to mellow and come together. I still have a few bottles of this left and it was still drinking well a few weeks ago.
I just took out 4 litres or so and chucked it in a demijohn with some strained blackcurrants (simmered for 10-15 mins first). I think I did this as an afterthought and took the 4L from the half of the unadulterated batch that was fermenting, once fermentation had died down a bit. No reason you shouldn't add them at the start though.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby graysalchemy » Fri Sep 09, 2016 14:32

Damsons look like little bright purple plumbs.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Sep 09, 2016 19:26

graysalchemy wrote:Damsons look like little bright purple plumbs.

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Never seen any of them around - will ask the local grocer and also the local fruit farm.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby graysalchemy » Sat Sep 10, 2016 21:01

I have my secret place for them.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Sat Sep 10, 2016 22:13

Today was quite fruitful - found another source of elderberries and an apple tree, plus more blackberries than we can realistically use. Thinking of making some jam - they should all mix quite nicely.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 16:22

any idea what this is? - found loads growing locally
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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby graysalchemy » Sun Sep 11, 2016 16:25

Not a mind reader a photo may help :whistle:

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 17:42

balls - it's an acorn (duh!)

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Sep 11, 2016 18:59

on the upside, we (step-daughter and I) collected around 500g blackberries, 400g elderberries and 200g crab apples. I'm just going to make a jam with the lot. There's loads more elderberries I've found today, so I've got three different spots I can source them plus loads of crab apples (scrumpy coming soon).

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby graysalchemy » Sun Sep 11, 2016 19:26

If you are making cider it's best to use an equal mix of eaters cookers and crabs that will give a nice balance of acid, tannin and sugars.

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Sep 12, 2016 21:14

graysalchemy wrote:If you are making cider it's best to use an equal mix of eaters cookers and crabs that will give a nice balance of acid, tannin and sugars.


Cheers - I'll bear that in mind

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are these elderberries?

Postby f00b4r » Wed Sep 25, 2019 13:46

So a bit of a thread revival but can anyone confirm for CERTAIN that these are elderberries as I do not want to be picking something similar but poisonous?
There were not many left but I might be able to grab enough tomorrow to make graysalchemy’s stout before they are all gone (there is also another place that is apparently worth trying that may have more).

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby vacant » Wed Sep 25, 2019 16:48

Not an expert but NO, nothing like the elderberries in my garden

That last pic has a stem with leaves on alternate sides. Elderberry has leaves in pairs on opposite sides

https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/visiti ... ees/elder/

Maybe laurel?

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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby f00b4r » Wed Sep 25, 2019 19:21

Good point! I think I might try this other place tomorrow and post some pictures from there.
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Re: are these elderberries?

Postby robwalker » Fri Sep 27, 2019 20:50

Yea they look too big. Elderberries are close to the size of juniper berries.
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