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The Brewing Forum • View topic - Monster Imperial Stout
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Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:44
by ferg
Hello all,

I brewed an imperial stout yesterday. Last time I did one I had horrendous efficiency and ended up around 8.5%. I wanted to make sure that I got higher this time so decided to do a reiterated mash. I split the grain bill in half and did two mashes, First mash had a sparge, second was no-sparge using the wort collected from the first. Ingredients were:

9.4 kg Maris Otter
0.8 kg Brown Malt
0.6 kg Amber (Crisp)
0.4 kg Black Malt
0.4 kg Crystal
0.4 kg Roasted Barley
1 kg Invert #3
0.5 kg table sugar

104 g Green Bullet (11.2%) - 60 mins
39 g Northern Brewer (7%) - 60 mins
28 g Magnum (9.2%) - 60 mins

Both mashes were for an hour at 65C. Once cooled, I aerated the wort for at least 30 mins with a pump and then pitched 2 packs of Windsor and 2 packs of US-05.

All went pretty well. In fact too well! I ended up with 21L of 1.129 wort! :shock: Quite a bit higher than I'd expected.

Its bubbling away happily now, but I'm worried about whether it'll finish out ok. I'm hoping I can get it down into the high 1.020s. If so it'll be around 13.5%! I'm wondering if the yeast will cope with that or if I need to get my hands on a high gravity yeast that I can add to finish it off.

Any of you had experience of brewing a beer like this?

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 17:51
by Steviebobs1983
Wow that's a lot of grain and a lot of yeast but I'm guessing you'll need it.

Where did you get the recipe or did you design it yourself?

Closest I ever got was this one but the OG was much lower at 1.085:
http://www.thepourreport.com/imperial-v ... ut-recipe/

It was absolutely lush though. Yours sounds like one that could do nicely for years to come.

Edit: mine finished at 1.020 but it had lactose in it so not sure on the ABV

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 21:28
by ferg

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 01:44
by HTH1975
With that high of an OG you’ll likely find that your yeast will not get down below 1.020 as the brew ferments and the alcohol content increases.

You could add a finishing yeast, or just leave it with loads of body. I’d probably split the batch and ferment half with a finishing yeast to get the FG lower, then blend the two beers.

Nottingham or US-05 would be my choice outside of anything too weird and wonderful. I’d add maybe 100g of sugar to help get things underway again, and also help with attenuation.

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 13:45
by ferg
My last imperial stout only got down to 1.024 with US-05 and a much lower OG. It tasted great and not at all too sweet, so if I can get this one down below 1.030 I'll be happy.

My worry though is that the US-05 I pitched might start to struggle as the abv creeps up to around 11 or 12%.

I've got some more US-05 or some Nottingham in the fridge but I'm not sure Nottingham will do any better than US-05 and I don't see the point of pitching more US-05.

Was thinking maybe a belgian yeast might finish it off well? Something like Mangrove Jacks Belgian Tripel? Whitelabs do a Super High Gravity yeast, but I'd like to avoid making a start of possible.

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 13:58
by Steviebobs1983

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 15:28
by Rolfster
Sounds monstrous! In a good way!!

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 19:45
by ferg
Checked the gravity today after 6 days. Down from 1.129 to 1.054. So around 10% abv so far.

Its still going strong. Airlock bubbles every 15 secs or so. Hopefully it'll carry on long enough to get to where it needs to be.

Tasted it and it was really thick, almost a milkshake like mouthfeel! :D Loads of cocoa & coffee flavours. Really pleased with it.

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 20:31
by Steviebobs1983
That's my favourite type of beer. Something you can sip on a cold winter night and get slowly pickled. That or a Samichlaus...

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Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 19:06
by ferg
Ok I've roused the yeast a couple of times now and its been at 21C for almost a week but it's staying stubbornly around 1.054. Still bubbling from time to time but I can't see it coming down much more.

It tastes great but way too sweet, so I'm thinking of how to get it down.

Option 1 - pitch a couple of packs of US-05. Might work, but I'm thinking that the wort is a pretty unfriendly place for yeast just now (high abv, low oxygen) and that US-05 will just sink to the bottom and do very little.
Option 2 - pitch WLP099 (Super High Gravity Ale). Its more alcohol tolerant than US-05 and I can make a decent sized starter before pitching. I've seen this option talked about a lot in forums.

Any thoughts or advice?

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:49
by Eric
The flavours you want are probably there. Thought about Gervin GV7?

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 17:30
by ferg

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 20:14
by HTH1975

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 21:21
by ferg
WLP099 is apparently good up to 25% - although it needs a lot of babying to get that high. Will give it a go and see what happens....

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 09:36
by f00b4r
I'm in a similar situation due to my own fault of subbing in CML yeast for US05 and not checking the alcohol tolerance. I went and bought a vial of Brett (645 so quite a mild and very traditional British version), that and a fair bit of time will hopefully get me to where I want).

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 09:39
by Steviebobs1983

Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 09:42
by f00b4r
£7 quid from the Malt Miller. I love that Rob always shows the date on his website too, in this case is was pretty short dated but typical of their great service they actually swapped it out for a much fresher vial without me asking.

EDIT: I will streak some anyway so will get to use multiple times.

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 09:49
by Steviebobs1983
Nice. I was debating dosing my stuck quad a couple of weeks ago but I've already ploughed too much cash into it trying to get it moving. I definitely want to use it at some point though and £7 ain't too shabby.

Not sure it would work in a monster stout though.

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Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:53
by f00b4r
I will let you know in 8 months ;)
I think it should do and even though they say up to 12% ABV tolerance they are often conservative, I am hoping that it goes to about 13.5-14% ABV before stopping completely and leaves a decent mouth feel.

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 21:55
by ferg
Well, I did a 3L starter of WLP099 and pitched after decanting. I did get some activity, but not much :cry: Left it for a couple weeks and took a reading today. 1.048. So its now around 11%.

Not sure what else I can do tbh. Had a taste and it's tasty, but it's also very sweet.

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:47
by HTH1975

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 19:02
by ferg
Well, 5 months have gone past for this one, so an update....

Turns out I'm an eejit and the yeast that I pitched and thought was WLP099 was actually a Kolsch yeast that I had planned for the following weekend. I mixed them up :doh: Realised when I went to make a starter for the Kolsch.

So instead of making a Kolsch starter I made a big starter with the WLP099 and pitched it. Got a bit of activity in the first couple of weeks but nothing after that.

Just left it alone after that and checked the gravity after about a month and half. Down to 1.037. Still pretty high, so left it another month and a bit. It came down some more, and so on...
Took a reading a couple of days ago and its down to 1.026. Its around 14% now. :D
Tastes good. Strong, but good!

So now my question is...now its down around the gravity that's reasonable for an imperial stout, should I bottle?

My worry is that the WKLP099 is not finished and it'll continue to ferment in the bottles and at the very least I'll get over-carbed beer or if I'm unlucky, bottle bombs.

I could leave it in the fermenter for longer (why not, its already been in there for 6 months :D ), but I'm worried it'll dry out too much.

What do you think?

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 22:10
by Rolfster
Take another reading in a couple of weeks. If it's not moved bottle it..... but maybe be a bit frugal with the priming sugar!
Sounds good. The last 14%beer I had went down the drain after 2 mouthfuls!

Re: Monster Imperial Stout

PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 13:26
by HTH1975
At 14% it will probably not be drinkable for another year in any case. 1.026 is a reasonable FG for a beer that big imo.