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Whole vs Pellet

Postby Pjam » Thu Jan 14, 2016 22:53

I thought this interesting ...... if you haven't already seen it.

http://brulosophy.com/2015/02/23/whole-leaf-vs-pellet-hops-part-1-dry-hop-exbeeriment-results/
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby cyclops » Fri Jan 15, 2016 07:27

Over time they could not tell the difference other than head retention which wasn't much difference anyway. I must say I can't tell much difference other than it being a pain to filter out the keg. Lol

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Kyle_T » Fri Jan 15, 2016 07:59

Less storage space for pellets

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby cyclops » Fri Jan 15, 2016 08:26

Kyle_T wrote:Less storage space for pellets

And they last longer :)

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Kyle_T » Fri Jan 15, 2016 08:53

And for BM users you can recirculate when chilling.

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Pjam » Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:49

Yes It's said they do last longer, kinda sealed it goodness.

Re the filter problem with pellets, I think I've got a solution ....... a tea strainer not the trad ones but a type that's like a cage.

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby rpt » Fri Jan 15, 2016 13:39

Will that keep the pellets in? Don't they become a fine dust that would get right through that?

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Buster » Fri Jan 15, 2016 15:34

Pjam wrote:Yes It's said they do last longer, kinda sealed it goodness.

Re the filter problem with pellets, I think I've got a solution ....... a tea strainer not the trad ones but a type that's like a cage.

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I didnt think that pellets blocked filters for recirculating, I thought it was loose leaf that did it ?? :hmm:

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby cyclops » Fri Jan 15, 2016 17:35

I don't use a filter if recirculating pellets. Just whirlpool at the end and they should cone up in the middle thrn draw off at the side

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby robwalker » Fri Jan 15, 2016 18:38

Purely on experience, I've had pellets go off, but never leaf - but we do use high alphas and they're so sticky they're like candy floss! I'll also add that we employ hop types based on process. Pellets settle in our conicals, leaf block them up. Leaf don't block the hop filter and pump, pellets do...

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Pjam » Fri Jan 15, 2016 20:37

rpt wrote:Will that keep the pellets in? Don't they become a fine dust that would get right through that?


Ah, now some do. Some producers seem to make smaller particals, though with some pellets that strainer keeps it all in! I find the smallest bits go through the strainer but they're small enough to goes through my cooling system, into the FV where they're not a problem to me. TBH I never use just pellets alone, I use 10 or 15g of leaf which becomes an added filter.
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Springer » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:19

Kyle_T wrote:And for BM users you can recirculate when chilling.


robwalker wrote: Pellets settle in our conicals, leaf block them up. Leaf don't block the hop filter and pump, pellets do...


:scratch:
I have been thinking about trying pellets, but am condused about the best way of using them :hmm:
Whirlpooling seems a way to go, but do we still need a filter of some sort
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby GrahamT » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:57

Pjam wrote:
rpt wrote:Will that keep the pellets in? Don't they become a fine dust that would get right through that?


Ah, now some do. Some producers seem to make smaller particals, though with some pellets that strainer keeps it all in! I find the smallest bits go through the strainer but they're small enough to goes through my cooling system, into the FV where they're not a problem to me. TBH I never use just pellets alone, I use 10 or 15g of leaf which becomes an added filter.


Only just seen this thread. I have four of those tea balls (9cm I think) and my experience so far was the same. One pack of pellets went nearly all straight through, while the other only partially. The thing that was most effect was a big stir/whirlpool after cooling with the immersion chiller, which piled them all up nicely in the middle, inside the ring of braid filter. There were no leaves in that brew. I'll be using them again the same way soon.

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Pjam » Fri Feb 05, 2016 00:35

My Vic's pellets stay in the tea ball but the Columbus I tried last time went straight through! I nearly always mix pellets (in the tea ball) with leaf. I hope the leaf acts a a filter for the pellets that escape ........ works a bit I think.
Anything that's small enough to leak though the tea ball is small enough not to block the chiller ..... so happy days.
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Springer » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:39

I am still confused, so the pellets can be quite variable then ?
Do I need a new filter or just go for whirlpooling with pellets?
Thinking of doing a bulk buy but can't decide whether to go over to pellets, for bagging and storage benefit really.
Am I behind the pack here, having only used leaf ?
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby robwalker » Sat Feb 13, 2016 13:20

Using them before they go dusty would probably be my concern. Once a freshpack is opened you've probably got 6 months tops depending on variety. Our goldings pellets went sour in less than a month in a cool dark room, resealed as best as possible with a cable tie.
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby Buster » Sat Feb 13, 2016 14:27

robwalker wrote:Using them before they go dusty would probably be my concern. Once a freshpack is opened you've probably got 6 months tops depending on variety. Our goldings pellets went sour in less than a month in a cool dark room, resealed as best as possible with a cable tie.

What if they were opened and then Vacuum packed straight away and put back in the freezer. Would that make them last longer. ???

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Feb 14, 2016 19:35

+1 on the above - I've got my hops in the freezer too.

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:44

Generally speaking, how long do you guys tend to keep your hop stash, firstly "unopened/sealed" and secondly "once it has been opened"?
I'll stick with pellets for the time being, and I am looking to purchase some to trial in my next dry hop.
Any advice would be great, thanks.
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby robwalker » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:41

xCamel xSlayer wrote:Generally speaking, how long do you guys tend to keep your hop stash, firstly "unopened/sealed" and secondly "once it has been opened"?
I'll stick with pellets for the time being, and I am looking to purchase some to trial in my next dry hop.
Any advice would be great, thanks.


Have a look at storage index for each hop. Some store very badly, some will last months for bittering. Aroma hops you want as fresh as possible!
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:42

robwalker wrote:
xCamel xSlayer wrote:Generally speaking, how long do you guys tend to keep your hop stash, firstly "unopened/sealed" and secondly "once it has been opened"?
I'll stick with pellets for the time being, and I am looking to purchase some to trial in my next dry hop.
Any advice would be great, thanks.


Have a look at storage index for each hop. Some store very badly, some will last months for bittering. Aroma hops you want as fresh as possible!


Is this something that is listed on the packet or on the site you buy from?
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby rpt » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:45

I think the hops that store badly, will store badly whether in your house or in the hop factor's or retailer's warehouse. As long as they are supplied vacuum packed and kept cool, and then once opened resealed (in a zip lock bag) and kept in the freezer, they should last for some time.

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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:49

What is classed as "still fresh" as well.
I notice sites make a note of when they were harvested, i.e. 2014, 2015 so is that still classed as a "fresh" batch?
I'm only going to buy a small selection, to add some in my current brew and then some in my next one. So they will be used up completely within two months say...
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby zgoda » Sun Apr 17, 2016 09:12

I found 6 months in freezer when vac packed doesn't do any harm to aroma. After opening I alway try to use it within 2 weeks but still keep sealed in freezer. Them pellets.
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Re: Whole vs Pellet

Postby robwalker » Sun Apr 17, 2016 09:50

Vac pack will keep them fresh for years so it's fine to buy other crops. Storage index you can find on Hopunion. Two months might be alright
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