Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby Bad 'Ed » Tue Apr 07, 2015 20:55

I am buying the hops needed to make a Punk IPA clone this weekend but everyone seems to be out of Nelson Sauvin. I already have Cascade and Citra in stock, does anyone think either one of these (or both) wouldn't be a decent replacement? I'm not trying to make an exact copy, just a well balanced hop forward pale ale and I know Punk tastes nice.

I don't really like making up my own recipes so rarely experiment myself.

Hopslist suggests Pacific Jade as a suitable replacement, but Rob is out of that too.

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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby Aleman » Tue Apr 07, 2015 21:27

No

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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby Rolfster » Wed Apr 08, 2015 09:35

Aleman wrote:No

... but it would still be nice with both of those instead!
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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby Bad 'Ed » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:38

I realise the taste will be significantly different. What I am worried about is the balance of flavours that works so well in Punk will be destroyed by my ham fisted attempts at random substitutions.

I guess I'll try it and give it a go though.

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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby Mr Squiffy » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:48

I have only made a punk replica once, the aroma is virtually perfect but the flavour not quite, yeast may be the issue there. From my one and only attempt i think the Chinook are the most important, really gives it that distinctive aroma. I would just be a bit careful with how much Cascade and Citra (especially Citra) you add so you don't mask the Chinook. Good luck, i'm sure it will be a cracking beer. :thumb:

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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby Aleman » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:54

Rolfster wrote:
Aleman wrote:No

... but it would still be nice with both of those instead!

But only if you think the US C-Hops are actually nice :ill: :ill: :ill:

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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby Rolfster » Wed Apr 08, 2015 13:15

Aleman wrote:
Rolfster wrote:
Aleman wrote:No

... but it would still be nice with both of those instead!

But only if you think the US C-Hops are actually nice :ill: :ill: :ill:

A very good point!

Should have read I think it would still taste nice. :hat:
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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby mark1964 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 16:47

have a look at this site it offers substitutes i think
http://www.hopslist.com/

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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby robwalker » Wed Apr 08, 2015 17:30

I <3 C hops! :)
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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby rpt » Mon Apr 13, 2015 21:22

I've made both Nelson Sauvin and Cascade single hop pale ales. I think the NS was better but the Cascade was still a cracking pint. It was so good I had to make a load more for a friend.

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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby Bad 'Ed » Tue Apr 14, 2015 07:39

Rob got some NS in the day I brewed so I rejigged the hop schedule and will be adding NS pellets in as a dry hop.

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Re: Would Citra or Cascade substitute for Nelson Sauvin?

Postby GrahamT » Tue Apr 14, 2015 08:37

Nelson Sauvin has a distinctive white grape taste to me, something like German wine (not generally my favourite!). It's a real odd one. I can't think how I would substitute it if needed, so probably best you've found some!

Interesting that you've used 'balanced' and 'hop forward' in the same sentence. I agree! beer can still have a rounded/balanced hop taste (or malt taste) even if the malt and hops are not traditionally 'balanced'. Hop combinations are something I really want to get into next, learning which go together: very useful knowledge when stock runs dry too.

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