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Postby Monte Cristo » Fri Mar 13, 2015 01:10

I did a use it up brew recently and with fuggle and willamette, now it is early days yet but i am not sure they are a good combo i guess only time will tell.
This got me wondering what are your favourite winning hop combinations?

My best ones so far are;
Citra and cascade
Mosaic, amarillo and centennial
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby GrahamT » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:46

IIRC Williamette is derived from Fuggle, though sounds a lot more funky. I used the former as substitute for Fuggles in a porter. I'd have thought they would at least not clash so surprised to hear that. As hop contracts move increasingly forwards, I think it's going to pay dividends to understand combinations really well. Something I need to explore...

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Kyle_T » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:05

Maybe turn this into a good hop combo thread and make a list?

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby supersteve » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:11

Styrian Goldings, Fuggles and Challenger. Amazing for a typical hoppy pale ale.
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Monte Cristo » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:12

Not a bad idea Kyle, that is sort of what I was thinking, it was to get some inspired hop combinations for future brews.

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Kyle_T » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:38

It could always be a simply structured thing that can just be edited as the list grows and maybe include the style of beer you used it in?

Something like:

TBF Good Hop Combinations:

1: Citra and Cascade - American Pale Ale
2: Mosaic, Amarillo and Centennial - American Pale Ale
3: Styrian Golding, Fuggle and Challenger - India Pale Ale
4: Admiral and Bramling Cross - Best Bitter
5: Challenger and East Kent Golding - Dark Mild
6: Columbus, Cascade and Citra - American Pale Ale - Here
7: Cascade, Chinook and Willamette - American Pale Ale
8: Target, Challenger, Northdown and East Kent Golding - Bitter

Thoughts?

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Dennis King » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:41

Challenger as bittering and EK or Styrian goldings for aroma are great for English ales.
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Kyle_T » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:47

That they are Dennis, which reminds me, is at all possible anymore to obtain Styrian Goldings in the blended form, or is it just separately?

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Grumpydev » Fri Mar 13, 2015 12:11

Challenger with Styrian Golding & Fuggles were what I bought recently for an upcoming IPA, so good to know they're well regarded as a combo :)
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Monte Cristo » Fri Mar 13, 2015 13:08

Maybe add to the list how the combination was used bittering, aroma etc.

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Kyle_T » Fri Mar 13, 2015 13:30

Monte Cristo wrote:Maybe add to the list how the combination was used bittering, aroma etc.


You could do but it would get awfully long, awfully quick. Maybe a better solution is a link to the thread?

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby supersteve » Fri Mar 13, 2015 13:38

I don't see the need for bittering info.. It should really just be what hops work best for flavour and aroma. Afterall they are the ones you're tasting.
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Kyle_T » Fri Mar 13, 2015 13:51

Yes and no Steve because some bittering hops have a very intense flavour come through. Like Admiral. I think a link to the recipe they were used in would be a better example for people to see.

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Monte Cristo » Fri Mar 13, 2015 14:01

Yes that's a better idea as you can get a fuller picture of their use.

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Kyle_T » Fri Mar 13, 2015 14:20

Like this:

6: Columbus, Cascade and Citra - American Pale Ale - Here

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby graysalchemy » Fri Mar 13, 2015 14:42

Dennis King wrote:Challenger as bittering and EK or Styrian goldings for aroma are great for English ales.


I agree with that. :clap: :clap:

CAscade Chinnock and willamette in a APA devine.

I quite like target with challenger and northdown for bittering with EK for aroma in a traditional english bitter.

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby kohoutec » Thu Jul 23, 2015 20:19

I'm really into a Chinook, Simcoe and Cascade combo at the moment.

Next brew I'm thinking of swapping the Simcoe for Columbus though, never used it late in the boil before, just as a bittering charge.
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Pjam » Thu Jul 23, 2015 21:22

I've heard some brewers say your bittering hop does impart flavour too!

I've often thought some hops are good at either end, Columbus is great as a bitter hop, but good as a dry hop too, Same with Challenger and with Citra and I'm guessing the list goes on.
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby kohoutec » Thu Jul 23, 2015 21:53

Pjam wrote:I've heard some brewers say your bittering hop does impart flavour too!

I've often thought some hops are good at either end, Columbus is great as a bitter hop, but good as a dry hop too, Same with Challenger and with Citra and I'm guessing the list goes on.

I'm planning on using the Columbus at every stage, including the dry hop. It won't be subtle that's for sure :)
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Pjam » Thu Jul 23, 2015 22:12

kohoutec wrote:I'm planning on using the Columbus. It won't be subtle that's for sure :)


No it won't. I would love to know how that beer turns out.
I'm a big fan of Columbus but I've never been brave enough to use it all the way through. You might be on to a real winner.
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Good Ed » Thu Jul 23, 2015 22:16

Kyle_T wrote:is at all possible anymore to obtain Styrian Goldings in the blended form, or is it just separately?


Before Slovenia joined the EU their hops were just sold as Styrian Goldings, which would have been any of the 3 types available or any combination of the same. Now you can buy these varieties individually, Savinjski (the original from Fuggle I believe), Bobek and Celeia. All good.

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Re: Hop combinations

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:21

Just the thread I was looking for.
I am looking for general advice as to HOW you select which hops to group together.
My current batch is going to be dry hopped with Centennial, Simcoe and Summit hops.
For arguments sake, lets say I want to beef this up a bit... Should I go down the road of:

a) Sticking with the same 3 types, and just increase the amount of each one?
b.1) Add another to the mix, such as Ahtanum, or Galaxy for example?
b.2) If I go with the option just above, how do you go about working out a ratio? i.e. I'll get a 100g bag no doubt, but that would seriously outshine the 75g mix of the former surely?
c) I see that some people double dry hop, several days apart. What are your thoughts on this? Waste of time or beneficial to the end product?
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby Rolfster » Mon Apr 18, 2016 13:06

xCamel xSlayer wrote:Just the thread I was looking for.
I am looking for general advice as to HOW you select which hops to group together.
My current batch is going to be dry hopped with Centennial, Simcoe and Summit hops.
For arguments sake, lets say I want to beef this up a bit... Should I go down the road of:

a) Sticking with the same 3 types, and just increase the amount of each one?
b.1) Add another to the mix, such as Ahtanum, or Galaxy for example?
b.2) If I go with the option just above, how do you go about working out a ratio? i.e. I'll get a 100g bag no doubt, but that would seriously outshine the 75g mix of the former surely?
c) I see that some people double dry hop, several days apart. What are your thoughts on this? Waste of time or beneficial to the end product?


Sounds like a good combo to me.
Personally I would go with option a.
I have done quite a few brews that only have one hop in them to try and find out what flavour they have.
You just need those demi johns. 4 would allow 3 djs with single hops and 1 with all 3!
As for quantity I guess! Normally I go for equal quantities, but more often than not my stock lets me down.
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby KevinS » Mon Apr 18, 2016 13:59

For that juicy fruity American flavour that's popular at the mo (APA or IPA):

- Citra and mosaic
- Citra, simcoe and centennial (used in Vocation Pride and Joy)
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Re: Hop combinations

Postby xCamel xSlayer » Mon Apr 18, 2016 14:08

KevinS wrote:For that juicy fruity American flavour that's popular at the mo (APA or IPA):

- Citra and mosaic
- Citra, simcoe and centennial (used in Vocation Pride and Joy)


I absolutely love the Vocation beers, and once again, another local to where I am.
I would love to know the quantities involved!
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