What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:27

I'm looking to do another Yorkshire bitter - the last one was ok, but miles off a decent beer.

Theakstons say they use five hops in their bitter, including Fuggle and Brambling Cross AND they dry hop.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby BarnsleyBrewer » Fri Jul 08, 2016 14:55

I like Target.......... Good bittering hop that's underrated imo.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby graysalchemy » Fri Jul 08, 2016 15:34

If its a yorkshire bitter surely a cheap one or a free one.

Seriously though the classics, Target for bittering (its cheap for the ibu's though a bit of a thug) East kent Goldings , challenger, northdown fuggle anything like that.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby graysalchemy » Fri Jul 08, 2016 15:36

Forgot to say if you are making yorkshires finest John Sh*te then you only waft a little hop over the wort during the boil :whistle:

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby HTH1975 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 22:49

John Smiths is bloody awful. As it happens, I learned today that (apparently) it's the same base recipe as Newcastle Brown Ale, just with different water treatment.

As far as my Yorkshire Bitter goes, it's more the flavour/aroma hops I'm interested in (should have said really).

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby rpt » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:56

What makes it a Yorkshire bitter? Is it the hops or is it the yeast plus addition of torrefied wheat?

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby robwalker » Sat Jul 09, 2016 13:21

Water and yeast mainly for yorkshire. There's a plethora of UK hops now and they'll all taste great. Big fan of Sovereign myself.
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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 17:38

Speaking of yeast - I was at York Brewery today and their yeast smells yummy (fills the brewery as they open-ferment).

Cracking beers, highly recommended.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby graysalchemy » Mon Jul 11, 2016 18:21

Wheat Malt is a necessity for any Yorkshire beer as well.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 18:30

graysalchemy wrote:Wheat Malt is a necessity for any Yorkshire beer as well.


I used 350g of torrified wheat. We will see how it turns out. The FVs are bubbling away like crazy. I might try transferring to secondary after 7 days (if it's attenuated down far enough), rather than my usual 14 days in primary.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby graysalchemy » Mon Jul 11, 2016 18:46

I hope you like shreddies in your beer. Horrified devils toenail clippings can have a strong cereal taste wheat Malt doesn't, though the majority of commercial recipes use Torrified but this is probably down to a room full of accountants brewing the ale.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 20:05

graysalchemy wrote:I hope you like shreddies in your beer. Horrified devils toenail clippings can have a strong cereal taste wheat Malt doesn't, though the majority of commercial recipes use Torrified but this is probably down to a room full of accountants brewing the ale.


I thought it was essentially the same thing, except that torrified has been messed about with so it doesn't need a cereal mash step.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby graysalchemy » Mon Jul 11, 2016 20:14

No one tastes like shreddies the other doesn't and wheat malt doesn't need a cereal step for what you would be using it for.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby HTH1975 » Mon Jul 11, 2016 20:45

graysalchemy wrote:No one tastes like shreddies the other doesn't and wheat malt doesn't need a cereal step for what you would be using it for.


Okey dokey - thanks for clarifying. I will try wheat malt on my next brew.

So what about unmalted wheat then? - can that be used for head retention?

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby graysalchemy » Mon Jul 11, 2016 20:46

No just stick with wheat malt.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby f00b4r » Mon Jul 11, 2016 22:40

So if using wheat malt for mouth feel in a recipe you only ever mash as normal? When would you use a cereal mash step?
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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby HTH1975 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:33

Cereal mash is to gelatinise the grains, which in turn allows the grain to be mashed so we can access it's diastic properties.

In short, you won't get any fermentables if you don't cereal mash. This is what the consensus seems to be. However, I've also read that if tou mash with a typical base malt that can be mashed at the typical range (approx 65C) then the wheat will still be able to be converted to sugars.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby graysalchemy » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:58

But Wheat malt is Diastic anyhow.

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Re: What hops for a Yorkshire bitter ???

Postby rpt » Fri Jul 15, 2016 17:56

Torrefied wheat can be mashed because it's already been gelatinised - that's what the torrefication does. (You obviously need malt as well for the enzymes). I've found I've got much better head retention since switching from wheat malt to torrefied wheat. It doesn't taste of shreddies.

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