Sugar wash - Using Lentils

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Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby duncs » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:49

Bringing this across from another forum, I hope that it's not a :nono: If it is, admins, please remove the post
Originally Posted by Moley
Ingredients;
21lt water
5.5kg Sugar
400g Red Lentils.
50g Allinsons Bread Yeast

Method;
Put the Red Lentils into a bowl and add 2lt boiling water then leave to soak for 30 mins while getting the rest of the wash ready.

Heat the balance of the water to 35°C then add to the fermenter along with the sugar. Stir until all sugar is dissolved.

Once the Lentils have had a good soak for 30 minutes, give them a good stir and add the lot to the fermenter.

If you've got any method of pH testing, aim for approx 5.2 and adjust with Citric Acid if necessary.

Aerate the wash with a stick blender or your usual method.

Temp should be 30°C, then pitch 50g of dry bread yeast or a 1lt yeast starter if available.

Check SG and use the temperature correction calculator you can find at the left of the forum banner.

Keep the ferment at 30°C throughout and it should finish in 6 days. If left for a further 3 days in a cold location it will almost clear enough to run without any help.


I've just done one of these and at 28°C it went from 1.092 to 0.988 in about 8 days. It's clearing rapidly without finings and tastes of nothing in particular.

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby BrewWoo » Wed Jun 11, 2014 19:03

Going to give this a whirl, does it have to be red lentils? Or will any lentils work? What kind of abv does it come out at?
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby Moley » Wed Jun 11, 2014 20:38

Other lentils would probably work, but split red lentils are very cheap and readily available.

Somebody googled what they might add to the mix, and they provide all manner of nutrients and trace minerals which the yeast likes.

This will end up around 14% abv.
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby BrewWoo » Wed Jun 11, 2014 22:00

Excellent, look for a pictorial shortly!
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby divingdavey » Wed Jul 16, 2014 15:06

What is this for, doesn't it end up sickly sweet with all that sugar :vomit: , also why bread yeast and why so much of it, I understand that bread yeast can't stand alcohol levels as high as a wine yeast?

Edit - Sorry I read it as 2l of water not 21... So guess it wouldn't be all that strong.
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby PhatFil » Thu Jul 17, 2014 02:20

afaik a tablespoon of tomato puree will add the nutrients needed to brew a successful sugar wash
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby EvansTheSteam » Thu Jul 17, 2014 09:20

Ok, once you've done all this, what the hell do you use it for?? :scratch:

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby orlando » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:25

EvansTheSteam wrote:Ok, once you've done all this, what the hell do you use it for?? :scratch:


The clue is the word "wash", let's just say it is not meant for making beer :whistle: ;)

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby calumscott » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:42

orlando wrote:
EvansTheSteam wrote:Ok, once you've done all this, what the hell do you use it for?? :scratch:


The clue is the word "wash", let's just say it is not meant for making beer :whistle: ;)


No. It is used as a high-strength, low flavour "wine" which one might flavour with cordials or such to make a sort of not-quite-schnapps or commercial flavourings to imitate real spirits. Some say they're very good with a mixer...

It wouldn't be used for anything else on this forum. :thumb:
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby orlando » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:47

calumscott wrote:
orlando wrote:
EvansTheSteam wrote:Ok, once you've done all this, what the hell do you use it for?? :scratch:


The clue is the word "wash", let's just say it is not meant for making beer :whistle: ;)


No. It is used as a high-strength, low flavour "wine" which one might flavour with cordials or such to make a sort of not-quite-schnapps or commercial flavourings to imitate real spirits. Some say they're very good with a mixer...

It wouldn't be used for anything else on this forum. :thumb:


No of course not, now is it just me or can anyone else smell bovine droppings :whistle:

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby calumscott » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:50

orlando wrote:
calumscott wrote:
orlando wrote:
EvansTheSteam wrote:Ok, once you've done all this, what the hell do you use it for?? :scratch:


The clue is the word "wash", let's just say it is not meant for making beer :whistle: ;)


No. It is used as a high-strength, low flavour "wine" which one might flavour with cordials or such to make a sort of not-quite-schnapps or commercial flavourings to imitate real spirits. Some say they're very good with a mixer...

It wouldn't be used for anything else on this forum. :thumb:


No of course not, now is it just me or can anyone else smell bovine droppings :whistle:


No... that would be the smell generated by a sugar and lentil wash! :lol: :vomit:
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby EvansTheSteam » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:52

I can understand pepping up fruit drinks and cordials, but why "wash", is also used for disinfecting?

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby calumscott » Thu Jul 17, 2014 13:05

EvansTheSteam wrote:I can understand pepping up fruit drinks and cordials, but why "wash", is also used for disinfecting?


No, the term comes from the spirit industry, it's what they call the product of fermentation.
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby johnsaunders » Thu Jul 17, 2014 13:23

calumscott wrote:It wouldn't be used for anything else on this forum. :thumb:


Is the discussion of fractional freezing allowed on this forum?

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby calumscott » Thu Jul 17, 2014 13:24

cyberheater wrote:
calumscott wrote:It wouldn't be used for anything else on this forum. :thumb:


Is the discussion of fractional freezing allowed on this forum?


Nope.

Any activity which is illegal under UK law may not be discussed or linked to either in the forums or via private message this includes but is not limited to, any form of distillation (including freeze distillation aka jacking)


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=987
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby johnsaunders » Thu Jul 17, 2014 13:39

calumscott wrote:
cyberheater wrote:
calumscott wrote:It wouldn't be used for anything else on this forum. :thumb:


Is the discussion of fractional freezing allowed on this forum?


Nope.

Any activity which is illegal under UK law may not be discussed or linked to either in the forums or via private message this includes but is not limited to, any form of distillation (including freeze distillation aka jacking)


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=987


Thanks. The thing that made me wonder was this email correspondence from Brewdogs PLC on the matter of fractional freezing.

No

It still counts as beer

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------Original Message------
From: Matt
To: James Watt
Subject: Freeze distillation
Sent: 24 Jul 2011 17:40

Hi!
I wonder if you can help settle an argument. Did you need to get a distiller's licence in order to make your ice beers?
Thanks,

Matt

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby calumscott » Thu Jul 17, 2014 13:44

cyberheater wrote:
calumscott wrote:
cyberheater wrote:
calumscott wrote:It wouldn't be used for anything else on this forum. :thumb:


Is the discussion of fractional freezing allowed on this forum?


Nope.

Any activity which is illegal under UK law may not be discussed or linked to either in the forums or via private message this includes but is not limited to, any form of distillation (including freeze distillation aka jacking)


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=987


Thanks. The thing that made me wonder was this email correspondence from Brewdogs PLC on the matter of fractional freezing.

No

It still counts as beer

James
------Original Message------
From: Matt
To: James Watt
Subject: Freeze distillation
Sent: 24 Jul 2011 17:40

Hi!
I wonder if you can help settle an argument. Did you need to get a distiller's licence in order to make your ice beers?
Thanks,

Matt

James Watt
BrewDog plc
http://www.brewdog.com
This email was sent from my Blackberry.


There is nothing in the published UK legislature that gives any concrete (or even blancmange) comfort that this is actually the case. Until tested in court, nobody knows.

I note with interest that Brewdog now have a distiller's licence and are actively promoting spirits - citing their "super-ice-bocks" as the root of this new endeavour. My hunch is that someone at HMRC has had a quiet word. EDIT: See here: http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/watt-dickie

As such, the rules are the rules and will not be changed until such time as the law is clarified either through legislature or the courts.
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby johnsaunders » Thu Jul 17, 2014 13:55

calumscott wrote:
cyberheater wrote:
calumscott wrote:
cyberheater wrote:
calumscott wrote:It wouldn't be used for anything else on this forum. :thumb:


Is the discussion of fractional freezing allowed on this forum?


Nope.

Any activity which is illegal under UK law may not be discussed or linked to either in the forums or via private message this includes but is not limited to, any form of distillation (including freeze distillation aka jacking)


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=987


Thanks. The thing that made me wonder was this email correspondence from Brewdogs PLC on the matter of fractional freezing.

No

It still counts as beer

James
------Original Message------
From: Matt
To: James Watt
Subject: Freeze distillation
Sent: 24 Jul 2011 17:40

Hi!
I wonder if you can help settle an argument. Did you need to get a distiller's licence in order to make your ice beers?
Thanks,

Matt

James Watt
BrewDog plc
http://www.brewdog.com
This email was sent from my Blackberry.


There is nothing in the published UK legislature that gives any concrete (or even blancmange) comfort that this is actually the case. Until tested in court, nobody knows.

I note with interest that Brewdog now have a distiller's licence and are actively promoting spirits - citing their "super-ice-bocks" as the root of this new endeavour. My hunch is that someone at HMRC has had a quiet word. EDIT: See here: http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/watt-dickie

As such, the rules are the rules and will not be changed until such time as the law is clarified either through legislature or the courts.


Thanks.

I did see this on the HMRC website relative to revenue on beer which gave me pause for thought.

22.1 What if I want to remove alcohol from beer?
If you wish to remove alcohol from beer, you must obtain our approval well before you intend to start the process.

Please send details in writing to the CITEX Written Enquiries team - see paragraph 19.1.3 for address.

The alcohol produced from de-alcoholisation processes or extracted from yeast (other than that produced by traditional yeast pressing) is classified as spirits.

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby calumscott » Thu Jul 17, 2014 14:02

Crikey!! Good spot!
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby johnsaunders » Thu Jul 17, 2014 14:08

calumscott wrote:Crikey!! Good spot!


I think BrewDog PLC just got lucky and I guess the HMRC still got paid from the duty which is based on the alcohol content of the beer so they didn't bother looking into it.

As you've said. It's a huge grey area and I completely understand not allowing it on the forum.

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby EvansTheSteam » Thu Jul 17, 2014 14:38

Ok ok, got the picture, so why add the lentils??

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby calumscott » Thu Jul 17, 2014 15:31

Instead of yeast nutrient as I understand it. :thumb:
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby EvansTheSteam » Thu Jul 17, 2014 20:13

Damn it Calum, is there anything you don't know?

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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby calumscott » Thu Jul 17, 2014 20:19

Yes, lots... but I sure as hell intend to find out! :lol:
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Re: Sugar wash - Using Lentils

Postby bobsbeer » Thu Jul 17, 2014 20:41

Moley did say that at the beginning of the thread.
Moley wrote:Somebody googled what they might add to the mix, and they provide all manner of nutrients and trace minerals which the yeast likes.
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