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Scumble

Postby oldbloke » Thu Mar 31, 2016 00:50

Any Terry Pratchett fans in?
Thought I might try a version of Nanny Ogg's Scumble - "mostly apples"
From the description in the books I assume it's a potent apple brandy, but obviously I can only go as far as yeast will take me, so I'm thinking a TC base recipe with a high alcohol yeast to get it to at least 18, preferably 20, %ABV.
More or less tannin than a standard TC?
Sweetener? It could be pretty vicious without..
I'll use Suma AJ concentrate as the base, a litre and a half of that has enough sugar to get to 16% or so, maybe a bit more. But that will be VERY appley - should I use an adjunct juice? OR just stick to apple?
Maybe some spices?
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Re: Scumble

Postby graysalchemy » Thu Mar 31, 2016 08:19

I would stick to just apple to begin with. You can added spices once it has fermented. I wouldn't add any more tannin as you are going to get more of a concentration of tannin from the suma.

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Re: Scumble

Postby Rolfster » Thu Mar 31, 2016 09:02

Sounds great. If I remember rightly you have to drink a pint of it... :party: :o
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Re: Scumble

Postby oldbloke » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:00

I thought I'd put it into 250ml bottles, for safety's sake.
Still or fizzy?
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Re: Scumble

Postby graysalchemy » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:20

I would have said still at that abv. You could also bottle it in a screw cap and serve as a liqueur.

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Re: Scumble

Postby Crastney » Thu Mar 31, 2016 16:42

you could fortify it, once fermented, with a bottle of vodka or some other spirit. like you would make a pineau, or a port, or similar.
or you could make a apple-cello (like limoncello, but with apples) and add that to the hight abv cider.
or even add calvados.

... or just drink calvados, which is probably pretty close already to apple scumble.

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Re: Scumble

Postby Rolfster » Thu Mar 31, 2016 23:06

It was Mort who drank a pint, much to the locals discomfort until he started shouting and ran off.
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Re: Scumble

Postby Bad 'Ed » Fri Apr 01, 2016 08:44

I agree with GA, I'd brew it as if you were brewing TC and see what happens. If it doesn't quite work and you have to add brandy to get what you want then that will still be delicious; you could easily kill the yeast and back sweeten, add spices / whatever you want in different bottles and see how it all turns out.

I've been meaning to reread the TP books since he died but not got round to it. I must stop life getting in the way of my fun...

Never enough time....
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Re: Scumble

Postby MrBoy » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:59

Sounds like fun. I'd definitely say still.

What are the legal rules on fortification i.e. what are you allowed to fortify with? Because a true scumble would presumably be higher than even 40%, more like cask strength whisky (60% ish)?
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Re: Scumble

Postby oldbloke » Sat Apr 02, 2016 23:52

MrBoy wrote:Sounds like fun. I'd definitely say still.

What are the legal rules on fortification i.e. what are you allowed to fortify with? Because a true scumble would presumably be higher than even 40%, more like cask strength whisky (60% ish)?


No, if you mix two liquids, one at X ABV and one at Y ABV, where X > Y, the result must be lower than X.

I don't really want to fortify. I like all the alcohol to be made by me. Something that tastes more ir less like a TC but is deceptively 18%+ is what takes my fancy. I just wonder how to make it taste reasonable with that much alcohol in it.
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Re: Scumble

Postby tonyhibbett » Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:57

Raw apple 'brandy' is pretty rough, but a handful of raisins plus oak chips per bottle helps a lot. After 5 years it's actually better than Calvados.
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Re: Scumble

Postby MrBoy » Fri Apr 15, 2016 11:34

oldbloke wrote:
MrBoy wrote:Sounds like fun. I'd definitely say still.

What are the legal rules on fortification i.e. what are you allowed to fortify with? Because a true scumble would presumably be higher than even 40%, more like cask strength whisky (60% ish)?


No, if you mix two liquids, one at X ABV and one at Y ABV, where X > Y, the result must be lower than X.
Well, duh.

Is even freeze-concentration illegal in the UK since that's how scumble is actually made in the books? I've done that by accident before with a can of Stella in the freezer ;)
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Re: Scumble

Postby tonyhibbett » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:59

I doubt it because it's technically not distillation. However it's potentially more dangerous because the first 4% of the output from a still contains a high proportion of methyl alcohol and acetone and therefore discarded, as they are highly toxic. Freeze concentration would include them.
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Re: Scumble

Postby MrBoy » Mon Apr 18, 2016 16:58

I always thought the methyl you got from a still was created during the distillation process, not already present in the wash?
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Re: Scumble

Postby ross » Wed Apr 20, 2016 23:08

It'll be present in the wash, but so should the ethanol so it shouldn't be an issue.

The majority of methanol's toxicity comes from toxic metabolites, if you have ethanol present you get a slower rate of production, more excreted unmetabolised, and less problems. That's why ethanol can be used to treat methanol poisoning (where you don't have access to fomepizole).
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Re: Scumble

Postby oldbloke » Wed Apr 20, 2016 23:27

Reminder that the D stuff is not discussed on this forum
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Re: Scumble

Postby oldbloke » Thu Apr 28, 2016 17:51

Since it won't be proper Scumble, I've decided to call it Scumbelina.
Kicked it off today - separate thread
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Re: Scumble

Postby ericmark » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:45

So what makes it eat metal? I note has to be served in wooden cups, and I thought it was what was served to Mort when the interface was getting close and I walked outside, through the wall to check what it said on the sign.

Cider that allows you to walk through walls could be handy?
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Re: Scumble

Postby oldbloke » Sun Jul 03, 2016 21:16

Hmmm. It'd have to be some sort of acid that doesn't destroy the human body AND doesn't make the stuff totally unpalatable.
No idea. It's fiction. Let's not worry about it
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Re: Scumble

Postby robwalker » Sat Jul 29, 2017 20:15

I'm reading Mort right now, so interested to hear how it goes. If it doesn't fizz when you pour it onto a 2p coin, I'll be sorely disappointed.
Quite tempted by the raspberry port I must say...
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Re: Scumble

Postby oldbloke » Sat Jul 29, 2017 22:37

It went badly - see the Scumbelina thread
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