First TC attempt

Making wine, cider or something interesting, show us how you did it here.

First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Mon Apr 14, 2014 13:21

I am happy to say that thanks to OldBloke's guide I have a DJ fermenting my first TC!

1.75L pressed AJ from Sainsburys
300g cane sugar
Yeast nutrient
Gervin Ale yeast
200ml strong black tea (4 bags English Breakfast)

I have 2 DJ's (one PET and one glass) and I have ginger beer in the PET one. I was going to keep the glass DJ to rack the ginger beer into before bottling, but I wanted to try a cider. Normal sanitising regime with Bruclens from Wilko (if anyone knows a more cost effective way please let me know as this stuff seems a tad pricey for what it is). I threw it all (in order) into the DJ and this time after pitching the yeast I gently swirled the contents of the DJ to see if that would have any effect on the speed or beginning of the fermentation. I popped a rubber bung and airlock on it and went about my business. A few hours later there was a 1cm crust which looked healthy but I always like to hear airlock activity so I put my ear to the DJ to see if I could hear any bubbles (like with my ginger beer which won't keep quiet). At the exact time I did this, the airlock burps right in my face, funny stuff.

I put this all together on Sunday, and this morning the fermentation was looking pretty good, the crust is growing and I am less anxious about my first cider! Thanks to everyone who offered me advice before, I am going to try a cider from fresh apples later this year and I can't wait.

I will upload some pictures when I get back from work tonight. :D

G.
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby jkp » Tue Apr 15, 2014 20:46

Is this a one gallon batch?
User avatar
jkp
Brewer
 
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 14:34
Location: China

Re: First TC attempt

Postby oldbloke » Tue Apr 15, 2014 22:28

1.75l ?
User avatar
oldbloke
Moderator
 
Posts: 1274
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 23:26
Location: Todmorden, Wet Yorkshire

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Wed Apr 16, 2014 06:09

Yeah a gallon batch,1.75L, made up the balance with water and the tea mix. Probably sounds a bit weird but it looks and smells great and has been bubbling away happily for days :)
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby oldbloke » Wed Apr 16, 2014 08:24

It's not going to taste great - nowhere near enough apple in it. TC is usually "as much AJ as will fit".
1.75l juice plus 200g sugar gives a total sugar likely under 400g. In a gallon you'll be lucky to get to 4%ABV
User avatar
oldbloke
Moderator
 
Posts: 1274
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 23:26
Location: Todmorden, Wet Yorkshire

Re: First TC attempt

Postby jkp » Wed Apr 16, 2014 08:35

He used 300g sugar, so the ABV will be ok, 5% or so. Just low on apple flavour like you said. It looks a bit like a WOW-ish TC.

Oh well, you'll still learn the process of making the TC, but next time use all AJ and no water/sugar. You'll get a better result that way. It doesn't need to be fancy AJ either, cheaper 100% AJ from concentrate are ok too.

Still, keep us informed how it goes and the final result too!
User avatar
jkp
Brewer
 
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 14:34
Location: China

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Wed Apr 16, 2014 09:04

I guess I have sabotaged myself, frustrating but thanks for the heads up.
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby EvansTheSteam » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:53

Don't worry too much, it will be drinkable, if a bit thin!
You learn best from your mistakes, don't I know it!

Evanvine Brewery
User avatar
EvansTheSteam
Steam Age Brewer
 
Posts: 1429
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 23:22
Location: Selston, Notts

Re: First TC attempt

Postby chrig » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:10

Throw in a whole bottle of the polish fruit syrup and turn it in to 'raspberryaid'. You'll need to remove a bit ffirst. But it'll be more drinkable

User avatar
chrig
Brewer
 
Posts: 165
Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2014 23:37

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Crastney » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:55

you'll be needing to buy another DJ soon then, as a spare for racking purposes.

Global average carbon emissions - one ton per person per year.
Current emissions in UK – 9 tons per person per year!
Eight million tons of plastic dumped into the oceans. Every year!
User avatar
Crastney
Brewer
 
Posts: 495
Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2014 18:29
Location: Sydenham, london

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Wed Apr 16, 2014 13:09

Crastney wrote:you'll be needing to buy another DJ soon then, as a spare for racking purposes.


I have a new one coming this Saturday, to rack my Frankensteins monsters into :)
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Wed Apr 16, 2014 13:10

EvansTheSteam wrote:Don't worry too much, it will be drinkable, if a bit thin!
You learn best from your mistakes, don't I know it!


Thanks for the encouragement :)
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby EvansTheSteam » Wed Apr 16, 2014 14:42

It's what the Forum's here for G!

Evanvine Brewery
User avatar
EvansTheSteam
Steam Age Brewer
 
Posts: 1429
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 23:22
Location: Selston, Notts

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Sat Apr 19, 2014 18:07

Just an update, I bottled the cider this morning and it tasted lovely. After my initial disappointment I upped the sugar from 300g to 1kg. This really saved the batch, I have learned more again and thank everyone for their advice.
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby jkp » Sat Apr 19, 2014 18:16

I know it's called turbo cider but still, that seems very quick. What was the final gravity?
User avatar
jkp
Brewer
 
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 14:34
Location: China

Re: First TC attempt

Postby oldbloke » Sat Apr 19, 2014 21:04

A kilo of sugar in a gallon batch is wine, not cider! (if it's fermented out, obv)
User avatar
oldbloke
Moderator
 
Posts: 1274
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 23:26
Location: Todmorden, Wet Yorkshire

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Sat Apr 19, 2014 21:57

Seems I can't win :)
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby jkp » Sun Apr 20, 2014 09:39

I hope you made sure the gravity was at or just below 1 when you bottled it. 1kg of sugar is a lot to ferment out in only a few days.

Did you back sweeten with artificial sweetener at all? What about priming for carbonation?

Don't worry about making mistakes. It's best you make them all now in one go, then you won't make them again in the future. It's all about learning the process ready for when you those apples.
User avatar
jkp
Brewer
 
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 14:34
Location: China

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Tue Apr 22, 2014 20:50

I ditched the lot, too many mistakes. I'll try again soon though. Appreciate the help everyone.
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Crastney » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:36

i think ditching it might have been your biggest mistake - most things are solveable, and you learn by your mistakes.
if you'd kept it, you'd konw what it's not supposed to taste like...

it could still have been salvegable?

I've drunk many things which others were convinced were beyond drinkable, with little or no ill affect.

Global average carbon emissions - one ton per person per year.
Current emissions in UK – 9 tons per person per year!
Eight million tons of plastic dumped into the oceans. Every year!
User avatar
Crastney
Brewer
 
Posts: 495
Joined: Tue Apr 08, 2014 18:29
Location: Sydenham, london

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:58

Crastney wrote:i think ditching it might have been your biggest mistake - most things are solveable, and you learn by your mistakes.
if you'd kept it, you'd konw what it's not supposed to taste like...

it could still have been salvegable?

I've drunk many things which others were convinced were beyond drinkable, with little or no ill affect.


You could be right, but I've had such rotten luck with this.
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby jkp » Thu Apr 24, 2014 16:19

Shame to hear you ditched it. You'll do better next time, just don't give up!
User avatar
jkp
Brewer
 
Posts: 1029
Joined: Sun Apr 06, 2014 14:34
Location: China

Re: First TC attempt

Postby narmour » Mon Apr 28, 2014 09:13

It never hurts to put your ideas up here before you brew them, that way any potential howlers can be ironed out before the "s**t what do I have to do to save this brew" phase. There's always someone to give you friendly advice to modify your recipe, or even just give you the thumbs up. And if you do it in advance, the urgency for a reply is not as great!

It also helps improve the activity on this part of the forum, which is lacking a bit since the move.

:hat:

The House of Badger Presents, the "Badger's Arse" range.

Planning- Another Youngs APA
Brewing- Kenridge showcase Amarone
Conditioning- Kenridge Showcase Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc, Various WoWs, Perpetual TC, Elderflower and grapefruit fizz
Drinking- Caxton's Real Ale, Youngs APA
User avatar
narmour
Brewer
 
Posts: 151
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:34
Location: Bangor, County Down

Re: First TC attempt

Postby Gunnar » Mon Apr 28, 2014 13:26

narmour wrote:It never hurts to put your ideas up here before you brew them, that way any potential howlers can be ironed out before the "s**t what do I have to do to save this brew" phase. There's always someone to give you friendly advice to modify your recipe, or even just give you the thumbs up. And if you do it in advance, the urgency for a reply is not as great!

It also helps improve the activity on this part of the forum, which is lacking a bit since the move.

:hat:


I am going to try a TC again, maybe this weekend. I bought about 4L of apple juice from concentrate from Tesco to stock up on ingredients. I will definitely post my intended recipe here before I start so I don't end up looking like such a tool :)
User avatar
Gunnar
Brewer
 
Posts: 79
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2014 21:12

Re: First TC attempt

Postby narmour » Mon Apr 28, 2014 15:18

Nobody ever looks like a tool because of a mistake. It will just save chucking something down the drain!

The House of Badger Presents, the "Badger's Arse" range.

Planning- Another Youngs APA
Brewing- Kenridge showcase Amarone
Conditioning- Kenridge Showcase Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc, Various WoWs, Perpetual TC, Elderflower and grapefruit fizz
Drinking- Caxton's Real Ale, Youngs APA
User avatar
narmour
Brewer
 
Posts: 151
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:34
Location: Bangor, County Down

Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest