The Draymans' Brewery Build

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby LeeH » Tue Dec 23, 2014 17:58

Awesome. Wish I had gone 'big'.
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby CoxyBoy » Sun Dec 28, 2014 00:27

Give me a shout about plastic casks I have 20 sat doing nothing that have been used once

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby stuey » Sun Dec 28, 2014 12:15

thedrayman wrote:Just another, and I suppose 'final', update to this 'build' thread. A couple of weeks' ago I finally had a visit from the Environmental Health lady who, on first viewing my equipment (oo-er!), was 'surprised' it was so 'professional-looking'. I imagine she was expecting plastic fermenting bins and general home-brew kit everywhere :-)

The outcome of the visit was that EH where very happy with my cleaning set-up (two sinks, one for equipment and one for hands) and stainless steel table for the main equipment. The lady said she would need to check back at the office to see if I would be entitled to a certificate, which would be for the highest rating of 5 stars :thumb: The emailed reply from EH was "I have checked with our guidance and your business is exempt from the food hygiene rating scheme as you do not supply the final consumer directly and your business is classed as manufacturing." So (although EH would have given me a 5-star rating and a certificate had I needed to be registered) I actually got no certificate, just the satisfaction of knowing that another hurdle had been jumped.

Test brews of the 1036 bitter are going well and a final recipe has been chosen. In the new year I'll be investing in a dozen plastic casks and some very expensive saccharometers (UKAS tested to HMRC standard) before registering with HMRC.

Images below are of the brewery in it's current state. I won't say it's finished as we can always find something else to add can't we? In my case I'll need to find some room for a couple more 100L FVs and associated Cornelius coolers...oh and maybe a larger plate-chiller and mag-pump... :whistle:

Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year to all members of the forum and, indeed, brewers' (of all capacities) everywhere.

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby thedrayman » Mon Nov 23, 2015 06:53

As I've been quiet in the forum for a long while just thought I'd update you with what is happening regarding my brewery (Newtown Brewery).

Early November I was visited by HMRC following my Brewing Licence application and (hopefully soon) I should be receiving official confirmation from the Excise Department with my Brewery Number. It's taken a while but now, soon, I shall be able to (officially) supply my brews to local pubs for all to try. :thumb: I'll keep you all posted as to what occurs and when...

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby krazypara3165 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:35

Brilliant! I've always loved this thread!

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby RokDok » Sun Nov 29, 2015 15:55

Totally well done.
Congratulations on your fortitude for dealing with the authorities.
A couple of questions.
Do you have to pay tax now on ALL the beer you brew including that for your own consumption ?
I've often thought about doing a guest ale for my local pub by taking my kit down there and brewing it there, so all would be done on the pub premises- from your dealings with HMRC do you think that this might be easily possible ?

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby thedrayman » Sun Nov 29, 2015 19:43

Hi Rokdok,
Once the licence is received it is for the premises (in this case my house) so ANY beer brewed on the premises will be liable for Excise duty; therefore my days of 'home-brew' for home consumption are over (in-fact they have been since I scaled-up my equipment). This means to taste my products I have to go to my local pub, which is no great shakes.
As for having 'mobile' brewing kit and brewing at your local pub I'm unsure how you could do that. Possibly the Pub would have to be licenced as a premises for brewing with your name listed as the brewer. You'd have to contact HMRC to see how that would work.
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby Springer » Mon Nov 30, 2015 09:55

therefore my days of 'home-brew' for home consumption are over (in-fact they have been since I scaled-up my equipment). This means to taste my products I have to go to my local pub, which is no great shakes.

Nice to see how you are progressing D, keep us informed :D
I understand the thought of going down the pub, but can you also not just pay the duty on the beer that you take for personal consumption?
What is the duty on a pint these days, 20 - 25 p depending on strength ?
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby thedrayman » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:18

Springer, the licence for the premises (my house) is for the production of ales for consumption off the premises. If I want to drink my own product at home then I would probably need to apply for a pub licence (consumption of alcohol ON the premises), and THAT would be a different ball-game altogether (with even MORE hoops to jump through). I don't mind drinking my beers at my local anyway as it is less that two minutes walk away. :-)
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby cyclops » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:43

How about if you was tasting the samples? Does this go down as ullage?

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby Springer » Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:58

Isn't there a bit about brewery open days ? But I don't suppose you could have one of those everyday and only invite yourself :lol:
Probably easier to negotiate a good discount at the pub if its that near..............................could you then have a carry out :hmm:
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby thedrayman » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:02

I'd love a 'brewery open day' everyday however I don't think SHMBO would approve ;-)
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby RokDok » Mon Nov 30, 2015 23:47

Drayman,
Thanks for the info.
Maybe I need to have a word with the local brew pub
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby tommidolcetto » Tue Dec 01, 2015 13:28

The brewers I know sample on the premises all the time. Isn't the licence for the sale of alcohol to be drunk on the premises? Free tastings are allowed in an off-licence.
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby mixbrewery » Wed Dec 02, 2015 15:27

Officially all beer produced under license is in bonded store and the duty is only payable when it leaves the bonded store - ie. for sale and or samples.
While you are casking all the production it is difficult to have "samples".
For my setup where I bottle most of my beers the odd sample is easy to manage.
I still have to account for samples to prospective outlets and pay the appropriate duty.
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby thedrayman » Thu Dec 03, 2015 22:55

Well, today is the day I have worked towards since my first tentative attempts at home-made wines (which I didn't drink) through Boots' Bitter kits with liquid malt extract and bakers' yeast, through full-grain brewing and attending the 3-day Start-Up Brewing Course at BrewLab, Sunderland University, through building a nano-brewery in our new house, and leaping through hoops for Local Government and HMRC. Over thirty-five years of full-mash brewing and at least forty-five of general home-brewing have come together. Now the hard work starts, brewing enough quality ale for the people of Gosport.

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby robwalker » Thu Dec 03, 2015 23:06

Congrats mate, i bet its a great feeling!!
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby thedrayman » Sat May 07, 2016 18:28

Just a further update, chaps. The (legal) brewing is going well as can be seen by plenty of empty returned casks and good feedback. Back in February my first 'commercial' brew, Victorian Porter (5%abv) appeared for public tasting at the Gosport CAMRA Winterfest. Today I've been informed that my first ever public brew was voted Stouts and Porters Class Winner! It's great to know that it's not just friends and family who appreciate my brews. I'm being presented with the award mid-July at Gosports' other brewery, Oakleaf (they won Beer of the Festival). Chuffed-to-bits.
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby Rolfster » Sat May 07, 2016 19:15

That's great news! Good work :thumb: :cheers1:
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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby BIGJIM72 » Sun May 08, 2016 19:41

Outstanding.

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Re: A Very Special Day

Postby thedrayman » Sun Jun 19, 2016 11:54

Yesterday, 18th June, my brewery (Newtown Brewery, Gosport) was awarded the Gosport Winterfest 2016 "Best in Category" (Stouts & Porters) for our Victorian Porter (5%abv), beating competition from twenty other established breweries. It was our first brew and our first Beer Festival and we are chuffed-to-bits that the drinking public really appreciated our beer. :cheers1:

The beer festival was back in February and, since then, we have brewed a few other brews which have gone down well in my local pub. I'd just like to say a BIG THANK YOU to those of you in this place (and it's previous incarnation) who have provided invaluable help over the years which has helped me now 'live the dream'. If you'd like to follow my progress I'm on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/newtownbrewery/ or our website http://www.newtownbrewery.co.uk/ CHEERS! :cheers:

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby HTH1975 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 16:54

Excellent news - I'm surprised you got to brew at all judging by all the red tape involved with HMRC.

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Re: The Draymans' Brewery Build

Postby robwalker » Sun Jun 19, 2016 18:18

Glad all is going well mate! We must organise a swap if you're ever this way ;)
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