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Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 23:32
by Brycey
I will be brewing this on Sunday.
Any help or advice with the recipe,especially the hoping side of things i don't normally brew with a lot of hops.

4kg lager malt
300g wheat malt
200g crystal 60
25g perle 10% @ 60 mins
20g bobek 3.45%@ 15 mins
30g hallertau 1.6 % @ 15 mins
10g bobek @ 10 mins and 5 mins
30g celia 1% @ 5 mins
10g of each @ flameout
nbs ale yeast

70 mins mash @ 66oc
20 mins mashout @ 75 oc
ibu 34

These are the grain,hops and ibu stated on their website but obviously i'm winging it regarding the amounts :hmm:

Cheers
B

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 08:10
by Bad 'Ed
I'd be interested in brewing this one day, it was one of my favourite beers a few years ago.

I can't see how you'd taste hallertau in all of that so unless you plan on brewing a lager soon I'd probably skip that one.

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 08:30
by Brycey
It's only in there because it's one of the hops they list as being used to brew this!
I could up the quantity, I've already got it in stock as i usually brew lagers and wheat beers.
I'm not even sure with all those hops that it will be hoppy enough as the alpha acids are quite low.

Cheers
B

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 13:41
by Partial_to_Mash
This one is off beersmith's website and claims to be a good clone (6 US Gallons = 5 UK gallons):

Batch Size: 6.08 gal Style: Blonde Ale ( 6B)
Boil Size: 9.50 gal Style Guide: BJCP 2008
Color: 7.1 SRM Equipment: Pot (13 Gal/50 L) - BIAB
Bitterness: 24.4 IBUs Boil Time: 90 min
Est OG: 1.051 (12.6° P) Mash Profile: BIAB, Medium Body
Est FG: 1.010 SG (2.5° P) Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage
ABV: 5.4% Taste Rating: 30.0

Ingredients
Amount Name
11 lbs Pale Ale Malt 2-Row (3.5 SRM) (5kg)
10.6 oz Wheat Malt (2.3 SRM) (300g)
5.3 oz Crystal 150 (86.3 SRM) (150g)

0.8 oz Challenger [7.0%] - Boil 60 min (23g)
0.9 oz Hallertauer Hersbrucker [3.5%] - Boil 15 min (25g)
0.9 oz Hallertauer Hersbrucker [3.5%] - Boil 10 min (25g)
0.5 oz Styrian Goldings [5.4%] - Boil 1 min (14g)
0.5 oz Styrian Goldings [5.4%] - Dry Hop 7 days (14g)

1 pkgs Safale US-05

Notes: This is an excellent clone of Harviestoun Brewery's "Bitter and Twisted Blonde Ale," which was voted the world's best ale at the World Beer Awards in 2007.


I would guess Perle replaces Challenger as the early addition in the current version, and Celeia and Bobek are both members of the Styrian Goldings family. I would mix them at the 1 min and dry hop stages.

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 13:50
by Brycey
Don't know how much of a clone this would be considering they don't use challenger or styrian goldings in the original and is bittered to 34ibu not 24!
I think i'll just give my own a crack and see how it turns out.
Thanks for taking the time to have a look and respond :thumb:

B

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 14:19
by Partial_to_Mash
I would guess Perle replaces Challenger as the early addition in the current version (it used to be Challenger), and Celeia and Bobek are both members of the Styrian Goldings family which are now sold separately and used to be mixed. I would mix them at the 1 min and dry hop stages. I have adapted my own Brewmate recipe:

Bitter & Twisted (Blonde Ale)

Batch Size (L): 19.0
Original Gravity (OG): 1.044
Final Gravity (FG): 1.011
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.32 %
Colour (SRM): 7.5 (EBC): 14.8
Bitterness (IBU): 35.2 (Average)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 75

3.000 kg Lager Malt (83.92%)
0.300 kg Wheat Malt (8.39%)
0.150 kg Flaked Oats (4.2%)
0.125 kg Crystal 150 (3.5%)

20.0 g Perle Leaf (10% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (1.1 g/L)
25.0 g Hersbrucker Leaf (2.8% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)
25.0 g Hersbrucker Leaf (2.8% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (1.3 g/L)
7.0 g Bobek Leaf (4% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
7.0 g Celeia Leaf (3.7% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
7.0 g Bobek Leaf (4% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.4 g/L)
7.0 g Celeia Pellet (3.7% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.4 g/L)

Safale US-05

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 14:22
by robwalker
looks like a solid well rounded bitter :thumb:

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 15:33
by Brycey
Cheers ptm didn't realise about the hops!
I don't have any flaked oats! What do they bring to the brew?
I'll have a go on beersmith and adjust my hop additions, the hops i have are quite a bit lower in % than the one's in your recipe so i will need to up the quantity.
Dry hop 0 days is that as soon as it goes in the fv before i pitch the yeast?

Cheers
B

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 17:14
by Partial_to_Mash
Oats affect mouthfeel and improve head retention.

Most people add dry hops after the krausen has subsided, for the last few days before bottling/kegging. I am tending to make a hop tea in a cafetiere using water boiled and cooled to about 80C to avoid the hassle of putting hops in the FV - which either involves putting them in a weighted bag, or straining them out somehow. The effect is a bit different and I really like the dry hop effect, but I can't be arsed basically. I dry hopped my last brew, actually, and lost a fair bit of beer to the hops and struggled to keep all the hop particles out of the bottles. Hop tea adds aroma effectively. These articles are good....


Google: beerandwinejournal dry hopping
and......beerandwinejournal hop-aroma-extract

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 17:28
by robwalker
I did that recently, nice grassy hops and deffo different to dry hopping, really cool in some beers.

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 18:43
by Brycey
Revised hoping schedule

28g perle 10%@60 mins
30g hersbrucker 1.6% @ 15&10 mins
10g bobek 3.45% @ 5 & 1 mins
25g celeia 1% @ 5 & 1 mins
34.4 ibu

The grain bill is unchanged (it's what i've got)
This should give me a beer of 4.4%
And i may dry hop with the same amounts of bobek & celeia.

Cheers
B

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 19:14
by Partial_to_Mash
Looks good.

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 17:50
by blinky
How did this turn out? Looking to try and do an extract clone of this beer soon as its a favourite of mine and am looking for a good recipe.....

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 21:20
by Brycey
It turned out really nice.
Needless to say all the bottle's are long gone.

B

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 21:39
by blinky
True to the original?

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 21:48
by Brycey
Yeah it was pretty close.

B

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 22:55
by blinky
Cool, have bookmarked this page, will let you know how it goe!

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 13:49
by foxbat
Apologies for the old thread resurrection but I'm going to try a variation of this one tomorrow. Brycey: if you're still around did you go ahead and dry hop after all? If so when/what/how etc...

Re: Brycey's Bitter and Twisted

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 21:05
by Brycey
To be honest it was that long ago i can't remember. I've had a quick look at my notes and there isn't a mention of dry hopping. To be honest i don't think it would do any harm.

B